WWUD? Random puking teenager in our kitchen

[chastenedButStillSmiling]

We were out this eve, but not esp late (home by 10:30). DD has brought mates back. We know some not all.

They've been drinking booze I've provided (but was supposed to be more than one evening).

DD is 15, yr 10.

One of the kids chucked up. She's fine. She was here on a sleepover,m her parents aware. I know where she lives (20 mins away) but don't know her parents or how to contact them.

I've put her to bed, on her front. Sick bucket and water easily to hand.

What should I do?

From that survey:

The proportion of children who reported ever having had a proper alcoholic drink increased with age, from 4% of boys aged 8 to 53% of boys aged 15, and from 2% of girls aged 8 to 54% of girls aged 15.

Overall, 16% of boys and 15% of girls aged 8 to 15 reported having
experience of drinking alcohol. This is the lowest level ever reported by the Health Survey for England.

 Regular drinking in this age group was rare. 1% of boys and 1% of girls aged 8 to 15 reported usually drinking once a week or more.

The proportion who reported drinking at least once a week increased from fewer than 1% of both boys and girls aged 8 to 5% of boys and 4% of girls aged 15.

5% of both boys and girls aged 13 to 15 reported drinking alcohol in the last seven days

Boys were more likely than girls to have drunk beer, lager, cider or shandy (5% compared with 3%), whereas girls were more likely than boys to have drunk wine (2% compared with 1%)

So drinking seems rare amongst 13 to 15 yr olds.

I think it's complicated. The surveys were done online in schools. The report (nhs digital not nhs England btw) does go into this but I can't remember the detail.

Also from that survey:

Patterns of drinking among children

When interpreting HSE data about children’s drinking, it should be remembered thatthere is likely to be some under-reporting both of frequency of drinking and amount drunk. Comparisons with the SDD survey, discussed above, suggest that the data collection method influences responses among some children, and answering in the
presence of parents sometimes inhibits honest reporting of drinking behaviour

Nevertheless, the HSE provides consistent trends over time.

The 2015 survey findings continue the trend of a steady decrease in the proportion of children aged 8 to 15 who are drinking alcohol. This may be for all sorts of reasons.

The Institute of Alcohol Studies (IAS) reviewed the factors behind this trend and came up with seven prominent types of theory to explain this fall of underage drinking:

 Better legal enforcement
 Rise of new technology
 Changing social norms
 Happier and more conscientious children
 Better parenting
 Demographic shifts
 Lower affordability and economic confidence

As I said SPB our school did it. Anecdotally, it was really interesting too see how peer pressure still played out even when no one could see what they were doing!!

@stealthpolarbear - well clearly nojelly is the expert - did you not listen? HER HUSBAND IS A STATISTICIAN I wonder if she was married to a surgeon, would she be marching into hospitals and telling other surgeons how to do operations....

nojelly you could just AS SPB - she's mentioned her job before, including to me I believe, and then you could ask your DH to calculate the statistical probability that she is telling the truth based on the number of mentions and length of her posting history...

Ketchup what did they say? My dc are younger so though I read he questions I didn't see it from the other side. Did they think there was over reporting?
I can understand over reporting if you're with friends or under reporting if you're with parents or teachers but alone in front of a screen...I'd love to understand more

*@stealthpolarbear - well clearly nojelly is the expert - did you not listen? HER HUSBAND IS A STATISTICIAN grin I wonder if she was married to a surgeon, would she be marching into hospitals and telling other surgeons how to do operations....

nojelly you could just AS SPB - she's mentioned her job before, including to me I believe, and then you could ask your DH to calculate the statistical probability that she is telling the truth based on the number of mentions and length of her posting history...*

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I am a director of the company and pretty knowledgable but it would not be true to say I was a statistician.

It's the Internet, Judge flounce had a very long posting history, plus, not all statisticians are equal.

I asked for a link as I was interested in the sample size, that's allowed rather than swallowing a C&P from drinksware.

Well done for continuing with it after I apologised though...

*There are approx 4.9 million teenagers in Britain today. 6000 is not a huge sample.

I am actually allowed to question it.*

So your personal perception from observing a couple of teenagers around you is more robust than a controlled survey of 6000.

Not sure what your DH being a statistician has to do with it. He's not the only one in the world. They didn't only teach statistics that year on that course in the LSE in the entire history of time.

I'm a statistician, that's huge as samples go.

I think a lot of people are being harsher than necessary. I was in a group of the 'good kids' when I was 15; one of their parents gave us alcohol when we stayed round theirs, and most of us lied if our parents asked. For everyone saying they have a 15 year old and would be livid, most of my friend's parents probably would have been, but you have to think that they may not tell you the truth. Maybe it's just me, but where I'm from, this is normal at 15. It's not as if OP provided spirits/ bottles of wine etc. A few beers/ciders/alcopops etc is perfectly normal for 15 year olds at sleep overs, but maybe that's just me.

So your personal perception from observing a couple of teenagers around you is more robust than a controlled survey of 6000.

No, apologies if you misunderstood that.
I didn't state that my three dc were representative at all. It was more a comment on the parents who claimed that their dc never drink.

It's complicated. Their brains are just wired to 'lie' if you like! They know what they 'think' a teen should do and so they say they do it, too! They did admit this fairly openly afterwards...they were especially keen to say they had been drunk at least once in their lives and that they had tried cannabis.

It's amazing how many virgins at our school , for example, do the chlamydia test!!

As a side note, I was amused by a finding that declared a possibility why drinking in teens had decreased, along with teenage pregnancy, might be because teenagers never actually meet up ay more because they do all their social lives online! So, they watch lots of porn, but don't actually have sex. Tickled me pink...

Of course, if the alcohol is actually provided within the home, that backfires a bit (drinking not pregnancy, although there may be a causal link ;) )

Today 11:33 Nojellyintrifle

Of course you are Stealth grin. Were you at LSE with him doing population studies grin

This is the offending post jelly not you asking for the survey.

I've been in SBP position. But it was a one time user (sent on forums to sway opinion) trying to discredited me, it's low and nasty thing to do, and more so for you because you are not even a statistician your DH is!

I really don't understand why people are going on about it being normal for a 15 year old to drink. That's not the discussion at hand. The issue of the thread is this was an adult who provided a lot of alcohol to the children and then left them unsupervised. The issue is the lack of parental/ guardian care. The op just fucked off.

No one is disputing kids will drink. No one is disputing if you give them booze kids will drink and get sick, what's been said is it's fucking irresponsible for a parent to give some fifteen year olds a boat load of booze, tell them to have fun and then fuck off out for the evening.

It was more a comment on the parents who claimed that their dc never drink

Anecdotes are not data.

Peer reviewed, well controlled, representative surveys carried out to eliminate bias and with a decent representative sample size are data.

Source: Probably Tim Harford from More or Less

just but I remember the horror at the whole alcopops thing and am concerned that this ahs passed you by. They are massively alcoholic , many of them pretty much banned because they encouraged teenage drinking..

Providing a few (sweet as cola) ciders and alcopop to teens is to me, oddly, worse than a bit of beer , or a glass of wine...

*Today 11:33 Nojellyintrifle

Of course you are Stealth grin. Were you at LSE with him doing population studies grin

This is the offending post jelly not you asking for the survey.

I've been in SBP position. But it was a one time user (sent on forums to sway opinion) trying to discredited me, it's low and nasty thing to do, and more so for you because you are not even a statistician your DH is!*

You missed out that it was in response to another comment though.

There have been lots of nasty comments on this thread and only one apology as far as I can see...

It was more a comment on the parents who claimed that their dc never drink

Comment, comment, comment

*I really don't understand why people are going on about it being normal for a 15 year old to drink. That's not the discussion at hand. The issue of the thread is this was an adult who provided a lot of alcohol to the children and then left them unsupervised. The issue is the lack of parental/ guardian care. The op just fucked off.

No one is disputing kids will drink. No one is disputing if you give them booze kids will drink and get sick, what's been said is it's fucking irresponsible for a parent to give some fifteen year olds a boat load of booze, tell them to have fun and then fuck off out for the evening*

Just reposting so it's said twice!

Thanks to everyone who is sticking up to me and thank you jelly for the apology. Let's move on and anyone who is generally interested in this stuff (not specifically about the op) come and join me on the lies, damn lies thread which I've bumped.

Sorry not my words - thanks to Bluntness : not sure why bold didn't work...

I work with stats, I am a director of a company that deals with modelling. I don't have the masters degree.

I was accused of not believing it simply because I asked for a link for sample size.

Ok I think everyone deep down wants to say sorry for coming across as judgemental and competitive.

It's one of the more decent threads on MN.

Jelly fair play for seeing where the hurt could come from.

I'm on my way to the zoo with my son and husband now and traffic is bad. I'm enjoying the days before he pukes in the kitchen like we did 😂

Cross post Stealth, I agree. I love fiddling around with stats.

I shall say sorry then jelly even though I was neither nasty nor rude. But if I caused offence that would never be intentional , so apologies.

As I said, it was not my intention - in fact I was defending a position that this was not about legalities at all but more about ethics and/or commonsense.

Although the offer to out myself still stands though whoever does it will betreated to a lecture as to why my job is so damn interesting. The mners I've met in London have probably already had that