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WWUD? Random puking teenager in our kitchen

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chastenedButStillSmiling · 09/04/2017 01:03

We were out this eve, but not esp late (home by 10:30). DD has brought mates back. We know some not all.

They've been drinking booze I've provided (but was supposed to be more than one evening).

DD is 15, yr 10.

One of the kids chucked up. She's fine. She was here on a sleepover,m her parents aware. I know where she lives (20 mins away) but don't know her parents or how to contact them.

I've put her to bed, on her front. Sick bucket and water easily to hand.

What should I do?

OP posts:
Orlantina · 09/04/2017 11:45

This thread is perfect for the DM.

Would you buy alcohol for your teenage children?

Nojellyintrifle · 09/04/2017 11:45

Also jelly did your username used gobbe frog because she likes accusing people of lying too!!
Why are we all so bloody nasty to each other?

No, I have never before accused someone of lying on here.

Stealth asked me if I had accused her and I said 'I think so'.

If she says that she is, I accept that but as I said before, I know of no statistician that would copy and paste a quote from a survey without sourcing it.

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 09/04/2017 11:45

I really am not being rude and actually Mrs we both seem to be saying the same thing. I agree that those who cited the law were confused and wrong.

Mowegli if you read the OP and her follow ups , do you really think she is all that concerned? This is my beef really...

MsJamieFraser · 09/04/2017 11:47

Tbh, mowgeli you are correct, I however am not trying or even want to being nasty, I dont think I have. however its getting OTT.

I dont understands a persons need to think I hold their opinions as my own, however, for me this thread has ran its course, I need to put more hot water in the paddling pool and mop my now sodden floors Grin

StealthPolarBear · 09/04/2017 11:47

No you don't accept it clearly.
and as I have said I was reporting the results as they would in the media.
If any long term mners is willing to get involved and have me prove who I am let me know. In the meantime I suggest we move on.

roarityroar · 09/04/2017 11:48

You're getting a very hard time OP.

At 15 my father allowed me and my friends from my delightful independent boarding school to drink. Now and then we got a bit sick but better that than out on the streets/in parks.

I think you sound like a great, liberal parent. Incidentally, at 29 I'm now heading to see my dad for the day because he's my best mate as well as my dad, partly because he was sound and understanding when I was a teenager.

ohidoliketobebesidethecoast · 09/04/2017 11:49

Jelly, you're very rude, mn is not a formal journal, people don't generally quite research with sample size and method, as you know v well. Stealth provided you with a reference as soon as you asked, that is all anyone could ask. You also seem to be saying that NHS england have published results that no statistician would consider valid, which is a little hard to believe....

One of mine doesn't drink alcohol at all, one does rarely and one does a lot (at uni).
The thing is, your kids aren't a representative sample, and are self reporting TO THEIR MUM, :-D. So by your own criteria, this means nothing, and could well not be true!

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 09/04/2017 11:50

Was trying to hold out olive branch.

Seemed not to work. Oh well.

OP won't be back.

Nojellyintrifle · 09/04/2017 11:50

I really am not worried Stealth, if you work in health statistics and are qualified, I accept that.

I stand by that it's very unusual for someone who works in such a precise area to not link the source, but accept it.

I was accused of not believing it simply because I asked for the sample size.
Which was genuine interest.

StealthPolarBear · 09/04/2017 11:51

I did link to the source.

StealthPolarBear · 09/04/2017 11:51

Seriously as your dh what he thinks of it.

Orlantina · 09/04/2017 11:52

Got all this to look forward to with DS. So glad that despite possibly introducing him to alcohol under controlled conditions, he'll be able to go to people's houses who supply lots of alcohol to under 18s and then leave them to it.

Still, what's a little liver disease between friends?

Nojellyintrifle · 09/04/2017 11:52

ohidoliketobebesidethecoast

Stealing my phrase Grin

No, it's perfectly acceptable to ask for the source, we are intelligent posters.

I have been at inquiries where statisticians have torn each other apart and proved published figures wrong.

Dh got ONS to change something the other day as it was wrong, the modelling was wrong.

It's really okay to ask for a source and sample sizez

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 09/04/2017 11:53

Orlantina Grin

Orlantina · 09/04/2017 11:53

It's really okay to ask for a source and sample size

And you got that...

StealthPolarBear · 09/04/2017 11:53

It's fine. It's rude to accuse someone of lying because they don't do that on mn.
source : me, today

Orlantina · 09/04/2017 11:55

It's rude to accuse someone of lying because they don't do that on mn

I think people need some Cake and Brew

It's too early for Wine

Nojellyintrifle · 09/04/2017 11:55

You linked after I asked Stealth and I thanked youSmile.

Dh thinks that sample size is good but it's self reporting and will be skewed in the way that the sex surveys are Grin.

Then ds (psychology) started talking about how people respond to surveys.

I am genuinely sorry if I offended/doubted you.

I really was interested in the sample size and have more than a passing interest in the manipulation and use of statistics.

StealthPolarBear · 09/04/2017 11:56

She did. Not properly alongside the quote i'll admit that. Always assumed mn was slightly less rigorous than a formal report.

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 09/04/2017 11:57

It's actually the teenage brain medics are concerned about with alcohol and drug consumption before adulthood (in addition to the liver and so on)

We know so much more about the harm that alcohol does these days so, as parents, I think we at least need to try and model that it's not OK to drink in excess ever and not OK to drink underage , even if we accept that they might do so off our watch But ON our watch?

StealthPolarBear · 09/04/2017 11:57

Me too. I started a thread a little while ago called something like lies, damn lies misrepresentation and statistics. It was really interesting, might try to resurrect it.

Nojellyintrifle · 09/04/2017 11:57

Oh I give up.

It wasn't initially given, I asked for it. Pretty reasonable behaviour.

Nojellyintrifle · 09/04/2017 11:59

The thing is, your kids aren't a representative sample, and are self reporting TO THEIR MUM, :-D. So by your own criteria, this means nothing, and could well not be true!

Pretty sure that I didn't say it was representative though...

Orlantina · 09/04/2017 12:00

Here's a survey for you.

www.content.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB22610/HSE2015-Child-alc.pdf

Children were interviewed with their parents. Parents answered on behalf of children aged 12 years and under, and those aged 13 to 15 were interviewed directly. As children may be reluctant to reveal details about their drinking behaviour in the presence of their parents, questions about alcohol consumption were asked of
children aged 8 to 15 as part of a self-completion questionnaire. Nevertheless, there is still a risk that children will under-report alcohol use in a home setting because they are worried that parents might see their answers. Comparisons with SDD10, discussed
below, indicate that both smoking and alcohol use are under-reported in home-based interview surveys compared with surveys carried out in schools

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 09/04/2017 12:00

Not a statistician but don't surveys of teenagers suggest they lie in the 'wrong' direction, as it were? So , more said they drink than actually do? This is what we were told when NHS England reported back the stats of our school. Part of the survey definitely had a question about who supplied alcohol and I remember one of the answers being 'parents' but not the numbers..

Drinkaware's stats on hospitalisations of under 18 girls rising are surely factual, though?

Not a statistician, so be kind.

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