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What if this happened at your kids school?

306 replies

Bambambini · 08/04/2017 18:28

Would it bother you - if this happened at your kids school? A 15 yr old boy (ok Trans) who used to race on the boys team - now races on the girls team and is beating the other girls. I don't see why it won't happen here - if it already hasn't happened.

I have kids at high school and i'd find this hard tovsccrpt, especially if i had girls who liked sport.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/08/trans-middle-schooler-added-to-female-track-team/amp/

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PrincessLeia80 · 08/04/2017 22:29

And that DameDeDoubtance is where it becomes transphobic! It's ok for girls you know at the highest level the difference between men and women is only about 10% a deficated female would have no problem competing against a male who probably had more pressing problems than how fast he did the 100 meters. Really a trans category would be ideal but certainly at school level you may as well tattoo freak on their forehead.

Terfinator · 08/04/2017 22:33

Nobody is born in the wrong body. That's not how biology works.

DameDeDoubtance · 08/04/2017 22:36

Stating that there are lots of biological differences between men and women is a fact, not transphobic, just a biological fact.

soapboxqueen · 08/04/2017 22:36

princess are you saying you don't think male and female categories in sport are necessary?

DameDeDoubtance · 08/04/2017 22:38

plus 10% is a hell of a lot in sport where the hundredth of a second could make a difference.

StrangeLookingParasite · 08/04/2017 22:40

So trans feelings should trump female feelings? Because...?

Churrr, because they're more important! Everyone knows that.

NB I do not actually believe this.

And yes, teaching your daughter that it's natural, and right, that she give way to others in all things, all the time... And people wonder why women don't fight back! Female socialisation.

PrincessLeia80 · 08/04/2017 22:42

The definition of a male is someone who produces sperm the definition of a female is someone who produces eggs I think this leaves a whole amount of grey area. I have 2 dd if they were in this situation I'd be telling them to try harder. How about we include everyone and at school level push everyone to be their best not finding reasons why it's so unfair. If you took feminism to its ultimate conclusion men and women would compete together anyway.

MidniteScribbler · 08/04/2017 22:43

Some people are saying that it's just a plastic medal at a school sports day, but it's so much more than that. A close friend of mine was bought up in extreme poverty in the US. She's African American, bought up in a suburb run by drugs and gangs. The one thing that saved her was her ability at a particular sport, which got her a scholarship to a top university, allowed her to get a degree (and eventually went on to a PhD). Had she been up against a transwoman who could have claimed that scholarship designed for African American women, then her outcomes may have been very different.

I will never support trans athletes wanting to compete in women's sporting events, or having access to women's only spaces. I would however support a campaign for them to have their own sporting competitions and safe spaces. Women fought very hard to the right to have a level playing field for themselves in sport. Athletes with a disability fought hard to have access to sport. Transpeople need to start their own campaign for their own competitions, rather than trying to take over a hard won sporting field for women.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 08/04/2017 22:44

In short - nbody gives a shit if ANY GIRL comes first, second or third in the 200 metre GIRLS RACE. HTH

Just thought i would amend that slightly

I agree with others, it must be dreadful having gender dysmorphia and i sympathise

No idea what the answer is

But

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 08/04/2017 22:46

Transgender people should not compete in sports if they are taking hormones to 'transition'. If they are not taking hormones they should compete according to their biological sex. That is fair. Anything else is unfair.

Actually I quite like that

soapboxqueen · 08/04/2017 22:48

How would feminism lead to the assumption that male and female biology does not exist?

If we do remove sex categories from sport, what do you think the make up of the 100m final would be? All female athletes?

DameDeDoubtance · 08/04/2017 22:48

There is no grey area princess, we are a sexually dimorphic species with a small percentage of intersex people who are sick of being used as an excuse to blur the lines between the sexes.

2 sexes, but any personality you like, why are we not pushing that agenda.

You would seriously tell your daughters to try harder? Good for you, I prefer to fight misogyny and sexism.

PrincessLeia80 · 08/04/2017 22:49

MidniteScribbler about right if a trans boy had taken that opportunity that would be wrong. Like disabled athletes trans should have their own competitions but at school level is it really possible?

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 08/04/2017 22:52

I have 2 dd if they were in this situation I'd be telling them to try harder.

Seriously?

Thats any problems ever encountered by women solved right there

princess ? Serious non snotty question. Are you American? Obviously feel free not to answer Smile

DameDeDoubtance · 08/04/2017 22:56

Sport in america is huge, way more than in this country. Midnite is right, college sport is a ticket out of poverty for some kids. Why are people so eager to take that opportunity away from girls?

So what if it is a plastic medal, it's her plastic medal, not his.

Your analogy for disabled athletes is a good one, should trans disabled athlete be able to compete with disabled athletes? Oh they don't actually have a disability but they think they do and would like to compete against other people they identify with.

PrincessLeia80 · 08/04/2017 22:57

I'm not American I don't get what is wrong with telling my dd's to try harder if they lose whom ever it is too? Will their life be ruined by that or should I tell them it's just not fair and to complain?

DameDeDoubtance · 08/04/2017 23:00

You should do all that you can to protect their rights, not give them up so easily.

donadumaurier · 08/04/2017 23:01

You can try as hard as you like, you're never going to win when the biology is physically stacked against you. It's like your daughter to keep trying until she grows a penis. Not going to happen.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 08/04/2017 23:04

Thank you princess Smile

I just asked because i thought the 'try harder' comment was a bit American...in an anything if possible if you try sort of way

Voice0fReason · 08/04/2017 23:16

I cannot believe this is actually happening and people are saying that it's ok - it's not ok!

Men have significant physical advantages over women that cannot ever be overcome by the woman trying harder.

You should have to compete in sport according to your biology or not at all. If your body dysphoria means that you want to live as a different gender role then go ahead, but you cannot compete in sport as your chosen gender.

It's just like the fact that some disabled people will never be able to compete in sport because they don't fit into the classifications available. It cannot be allowed because it wouldn't be a fair competition on a level playing field.

FerdinandsRevenge · 08/04/2017 23:17

i was ae to beat about 95 percent of the men and this was the case for most of the top women. And I was 5'6 and a size 8 at the time. Skill counts for a lot.

Yes, but Still couldn't beat the top men. No matter what. Why is 'feeing' like a woman relevant? You don't run with your feelings, you don't dunk with your feelings.

derxa · 08/04/2017 23:20

Plus life just isn't fair, hence why that child was born in the wrong body. No they were born in the right body- their own. I'm not a feminist and not transphobic but this is a ridiculous situation. Sport is segregated according to sex or it should be. It's totally wrong and unfair for people with male bodies to compete against people with female bodies.

TalkingintheDark · 08/04/2017 23:25

NotMe: You really cannot be serious

Actually, I can be. And I am.

The rest of your post is a fine example of completely made up stuff that has nothing to do with anything that anyone on this thread has actually said.

FerdinandsRevenge · 08/04/2017 23:25

For example in the Olympics the women's marathon 1st place was 2:24:04

The men's 33rd place was 2:16:46

Women's 10.000 meters 1st place

29:17.45 (world record)

Men 19th place 27:58.32

WankingMonkey · 08/04/2017 23:25

Someone asked earlier about transboys (ie females) in sport and what to do with them. This one is easy.

No hormone treatment - females
Hormone treatment - disqualifies from females as 'doping'

Not sure if they should be able to compete with males...don't really see why not as they wouldn't have an advantage over born males.