What if this happened at your kids school?

[Bambambini]

Would it bother you - if this happened at your kids school? A 15 yr old boy (ok Trans) who used to race on the boys team - now races on the girls team and is beating the other girls. I don't see why it won't happen here - if it already hasn't happened.

I have kids at high school and i'd find this hard tovsccrpt, especially if i had girls who liked sport.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/08/trans-middle-schooler-added-to-female-track-team/amp/

My neice competes in a sport at a county level, if she continues she may well go on to represent the country. She's 14, still at school, if she has to play her sport alongside trans girls she will not stand a chance and playing the sport may well be dangerous, there are reasons why girls and boys are not allowed to play contact sports together.

Should she drop her ambitions and dreams without question? There's no guarantee that she will continue to improve at the rate she is doing, but her life plans for her foreseeable future involve this sport. I think she may well consider that her life and her opportunities are ruined if she was replaced by a trans girl whose biological physiology meant they had a speed and strength advantage which may lead to girls (who have worked hard for many years to achieve some great things) being dropped from the girls' teams.

The team on a local level has already turned down a trans girl for safety reasons, it's only a matter of time before this is seen as transphobic and teams are forced to be inclusive, which in these instances is not ok because we are chucking our girls, their hard work and achievements, under a bus.

I'm not American I don't get what is wrong with telling my dd's to try harder if they lose whom ever it is too? Will their life be ruined by that or should I tell them it's just not fair and to complain?

Hey, lets try to add a horse to a running competition. Girls, boys, otherkin -- they should try harder to keep up. Don't discriminate a horse!

"Bambambini, I was more interested in what you thought. Man to woman trans must stay in men's, and woman to man must also go to men's?"

Man to woman should not compete with females or take their places in competitive teams or scholarships.

Woman to man could possibly take her limited chances with the men - but can only compete against other females if not on hormones (testosterone).

I can't believe this is a contentious opinion.

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Lol at try harder. Also don't get ripped apart like the poor woman was smashed to bits by Fallon fox.

And girls competing against Gabrielle here should just just try harder

Terf I don't give myself that label.

Girls should not be brought up to put everyone first before them, nor to accept that males with a natural advantage should get to compete against then insex segregated sports.

It's so unfair and basically a other example of males shitting on females.

So sad so many people just do not care about girls and women.

I don't think it matters much at this level of the sport, sorry. In 'proper' competitive athletics there are rules about hormone levels.

It does matter, when do you think people start competetive sports? Not at a professional level, they start young, they compete within their sexes from an early age, they train through local clubs and compete, again, within their sexes.
It doesn't matter if it's the egg and spoon race, or a race on sports' day where no-one really cares, but on a level where children compete and train hard for hours a week, of course it matters.

Of course it matters. Anything that discourages girls from wanting to participate in physical sports matters.

Eh? This is a poster with a very long and varied posting history. Why should she be more bored than anyone else posting here?

It is not just hormone levels. It is height, muscular structure and bone density.

I think If this happened at my children's school there would be absolute horrified outrage.

Out in the sticks here I doubt many people have even heard the word trans. Country common sense would dictate that if you have a pair of balls you compete with the boys. If you don't it's the girls.

Doesn't stop me being empathetic with the boy who thinks he's a girl.

Of course there are limits to my expectation that my DD will grow up to show empathy to others. I definitely don't expect her to always put others first. But I expect her to do so sometimes, just because she is a decent human being. If there was a pupil at her school without was transitioning I would encourage her to be kind. Let her have her medal. What difference does it really make? My DD will not run one iota slower or faster as a result. I will be proud of her anyway, and doubly proud if she manages to show kindness along the way.

So empathy now means letting transpeople beat girls in girls sports and not making a nasty fuss about it.

histinyhandsarefrozen:

In a schoolgirls' race, yes. I wouldn't force my view on her at all, but I would be proud of her if she managed to see beyond the differences between her and another person and enter into the race in a competitive spirit. It is just a school sports' day. She will likely have lots of opportunities in her life and I expect a student who is trans to have a harder time in the round. So I would prefer her to be kind.

Its not competitive. Its cheating.
Why are women so complacent about this sort of shit?

Men, on the other hand, throw hissy fits if females come near anything what is considered male privilege. Think corporate leadership, politics, military...

But a girl must have empathy because a boy wants her medal.

Railgunner1:

She doesn't have to empathy. She could choose to 'make a fuss', but I would rather she saved her powder for the bigger issues. Whether or not a schoolmate needs to be afforded a little special consideration isn't what I want her focusing her attention on. But it will be up to her in the end.

People have to make choices all of their life. I'm never going to be a basketballer because I'm a short arse. That doesn't mean that I get to demand the NBA give me a place on a team because I feel like a pro basketballer. Transitioning may mean having to choose whether to seek out a team that suits your physical needs, or to remain competing with your sex of birth. You don't get to just decide that you want to walk all over other competitors because you need to be validated in your choice of gender.

Hardly the definition of sportsmanship, is it?

Whether or not a schoolmate needs to be afforded a little special consideration

Sounds like giving exemplary behaviour awards to bullies to boost their confidence levels

There are many categories in sports. Age, weight, ability, and yes sex. Don't meet the criteria don't get to participate. Its not about feelings

But how is this not a big issue?
This is not just about having a little empathy, this is about women rolling over at the say so of men. Again.

I don't see the connection between being kind and having trans beating girls at girls sports and trans beating women at women's sports.
My dd is always kind. I don't see why having a trans person beat her in a x country race would make her extra kind?
I'm not sure why kindness is being brought into competitive sport anyway: kindness for women that is, (it's not expected of trans people in sport obviously.)

princess it doesn't matter how hard they try, women cannot out compete men at sport. That is WHY they are segregated

Florence Joyner set the women's world records for the 100m and the 200m in the 1980s. No woman has beaten her times in the last 40 years. At the last Olympics all the men that competed, beat her world record times