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to make a polite request about infertility threads

159 replies

lavenderandrose · 03/04/2017 18:28

I know, it's naughty, it's sort of a TAAT but it's really AT about a lot of Ts. Blush MNHQ, if I really am out of line I apologise unreservedly and will accept the thread being taken down, but it really is intended in a very genuine spirit.

I am not asking anybody to change their mind about their stance or belief on IVF funding, abortion, adoption or ethics of donor conception. Please continue to discuss as passionately as before.

But, please, please, can I explain a little bit about the 'childless people should foster / they should adopt because there are so many children needing homes' and why they are irrelevant and also potentially distressing to read.

Firstly, foster carers are marvellous. Without them, children would not be living in family homes at all but in children's homes. In a children's home, privacy can be difficult, children can feel unsettled and anxious at being in close proximity to many others especially those significantly older/with very challenging behaviour and also can become institutionalised which can make their lives as adults very difficult. To grow up with foster parents in a family home, with 'ordinary" rules and, in the best cases, having a stable childhood, is the best and these people who offer that are, put simply, amazing.

But it isn't enough to be amazing. You need to have one adult who does not work outside of the home. This is because you will be required to attend meetings and to be available should the child need you. This is not like being a normal mum to an average twelve year old, say. This telegraph article is pessimistic but also more realistic than some of the rosy glasses on here.

The final point with fostering - it isn't your child. No matter how attached you get to him or her, and they to you, you are not their parent. For someone longing for their own child, fostering is not the answer. In some ways, it's like suggesting to a single person they take your husband out for a date. OK, that's a bit of a stupid example but nonetheless fostering is not what most people think of when desperate for their own child.

Adoption is slightly different because legally and in every other sense, the child becomes 'yours.' But it isn't for everyone, and more pertinently, everyone isn't for it.

You may have seen billboard posters in your town inviting you to adopt. They imply that it doesn't take much. You just need to be a loving person - single, gay, old, young, black, white - are all unimportant. I can understand how they make people think it's possibly as easy as attending a few courses, coming home with a cute toddler and that's all great. You get your longed for child, the child gets Mummy and Daddy. What could possibly go wrong?

The problem is, not everyone who applies for adoption is approved. Like being a foster carer, you need at least a spare bedroom. You also need a verifiable support network. That proved impossible for us: so out of the running. If you have a pond, fill it in. If you smoke, this severely impedes your chances even if you have given up. (This is not me!) Things that thousands of birth parents manage to be fine with: dogs, cramped house, full time demanding jobs, high BMIs, vegan, can be enough to lose you a child. (Please note adoptive parents - 'can be' - I know many will have adopted with one or more of these things but I am just trying to illustrate they can go against you.)

But let's say you are approved. Brilliant! You can take your new son or daughter home now. But no - you have to wait to be matched. You may go through the heartbreak of a match falling through. The wait is endless. But then you finally get your son or daughter. It's a deliriously happy time, but it's also for many adoptive parents a sad one. Many will notice how few the congratulations are, how little cards adorn the mantelpiece, than with a new baby.

As the years go on you may find your child is perfect in every way, or you may find that their behaviour is a challenge. Around between 10 and 16% of adoptions break down altogether. many more limp on, adoring their child but with hurt and pain on both sides.

Please, please, don't think I'm saying anything negative about adopted children or parents. I would never do that. But it's not for everyone.

For a baby, I need IVF. It will be self funded. I understand fully why the NHS cannot pay for that. I respect your view whatever it is.

But please do not assume you can cure me and tell me that if I really wanted a child I could find thousands upon thousands of pounds, or foster, or adopt.

I work with children. For years now I have had people earnestly tell me what a wonderful mother I would be and why don't I have one. I don't mind that. Occasionally, I will need to have a difficult conversation with somebody and they will tell me I don't even have children and therefore I know nothing about nothing.

I am accepting that having children may not be possible. I will be very upset. But I can reach acceptance.

But please, don't imply this is my fault.

Again, sorry if the post doesn't come across the way I intended it to. I'm just asking people gently to not put forward fostering or adoption as cure alls.

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lavenderandrose · 03/04/2017 18:57

Thank you all (again.) Just seen on Facebook a university friend has had twins and my heart is hurting a little, although they are absolutely adorable.

Wolfie the undercurrent of 'it's your fault' is one that comes up time and again on mumsnet. Broke? Get a better job. Partner snoring and farting? LTB. I even saw a thread last night where an OP was berated at some length for having a smelly belly button, although that thread made me properly belly laugh and then go into a coughing fit!

I think it's because people don't like to think 'it could happen to you.' Much easier to assume that we've always got control of life. But we haven't. Some things aren't just outside of our control.

I think for some people, it's easier to convince themselves that childless people aren't really that bothered about babies, because if they were they'd work three jobs to self fund IVF, they'd adopt, they'd foster. Surely?

I like to think people aren't deliberately being obtuse so this thread is to try to explain why these options aren't always options.

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Annab1983 · 03/04/2017 18:57

Very well said OP!

Whatatododo · 03/04/2017 18:58

100% agree.

ohfourfoxache · 03/04/2017 18:58

Lavender that is one of the most considered, wonderful posts I have ever read. Absolutely bloody brilliant Thanks

HQ this really should be pinned at the top of the relevant board (apologies, not sure which board this would be!)

Good luck in your journey Lavender, I will be thinking of you Thanks

ShiroiKoibito · 03/04/2017 18:59

Wonderful post op Flowers

PoorYorick · 03/04/2017 19:02

My opinion, for whatever it's worth, is that it is perfectly normal and natural and understandable to want a child that is biologically yours. Fostering and adoption are wonderful things done by marvellous, admirable people, but they are not obligations on anyone struggling to conceive and as you say, they come with particular challenges and issues that not everyone is prepared to undertake. And they aren't obliged to just because they have fertility issues. You have a perfect and undisputed right to pursue a biological child.

It's admirable and noble to run marathons for charity or dedicate every weekend in full to volunteering, but it's not obligatory and there's nothing wrong with choosing not to.

Bibs2014 · 03/04/2017 19:02

Best post on mumsnet ever.

Flowers
anon050 · 03/04/2017 19:03

Yep, had people ask why don't is just adopt. Like it's that easy, I'll just pick out a child tomorrow!

I'd rather not give up, thank you very much and try for one of my own. And if it doesn't happen, it will be sad but I know I can still go on to live a very happy life with loads of travel, hobbies and fur babies!!!!!

RuggerHug · 03/04/2017 19:04

Beautiful and articulate post OP and I truly hope for all the best for you Flowers

reuset · 03/04/2017 19:04

Good luck to you, OP!

Applebite · 03/04/2017 19:05

Well said OP.

I have a gay colleague who fosters. He and his DP were turned down for adoption despite a high income because one of them was self employed. Who would ever ask a couple who conceived naturally whether one of them was self employed ffs?

I think some people just want to say something positive and they see adoption as positive (which of course it is) without taking into account that it's not easy or one size fits all. But some people just don't think.

Lots and lots of luck with your IVF.

lavenderandrose · 03/04/2017 19:06

Thank you again to everyone.

Being mindful about how words can hurt, can I also gently ask people to remember that when talking about adoption to substitute 'a biological child' for 'a child of my own.'

Adoptive parents have children who ARE their own, just adopted.

I'm not trying to be critical, please don't be offended. I just think gentler language around infertility/adoption/IVF babies would be nice generally.

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Lime19 · 03/04/2017 19:07

Well said!

jumpingjellyfishsquids · 03/04/2017 19:08

Brilliant op Flowers

BabytoBoris · 03/04/2017 19:09

Beautifully said. Flowers and best wishes for you on your ivf journey.

PoorYorick · 03/04/2017 19:10

can I also gently ask people to remember that when talking about adoption to substitute 'a biological child' for 'a child of my own.'

Duly noted.

CakesAreBiscuitsToo · 03/04/2017 19:11

A brilliant post. I don't read fertility threads much but I can imagine the "just adopt" comments could get quite exasperating after a time.

I was completely shocked when a friend went through the adoption process and how high the constraints were - and this was a family who were independently wealthy, neither mum nor dad needed to work outside the home! Huge home, already had one (IVF) child but mum was on some meds and they were only approved after she finally was able to come off the meds. It was years long process and incredibly stressful - I can see how many would be turned away and/or just not feel that this process was suitable for them.

Best Wishes to you OP Flowers

Marmalady75 · 03/04/2017 19:12

What a heartfelt and heartbreaking post OP.

I wish you all the best on your journey. My beautiful boy came after 4 miscarriages and a stillbirth. 1 of the miscarriages was an IVF pregnancy, as was my ds. We heard so many times that we should foster or adopt. I wish all those people could read your post.

isadoradancing123 · 03/04/2017 19:12

Wonderful post

voxnihili · 03/04/2017 19:12

Good luck OP.

I nodded along to most of what you wrote. We have our first tests next week after two years of trying. One friend I've confided in just says 'oh but there's always IVF'. I'm not sure I'm strong enough for IVF. Plus, the likelihood is that it is an issue with my eggs and no I don't want a donor egg. Maybe I'm wrong but if I give birth to a child, I want it to be 'my' child. I would struggle knowing I'm not genetically related to my child.

Then there's the foster or adopt crowd. No thanks. I have an amazing amount of respect for those who do but it isn't for me. I work with children who are being fostered or have been adopted and I wouldn't be able to do both. I've also watched placements fall apart and don't think I could handle that.

The final lot that irritate me are the 'well you did choose your career over motherhood'. I'm successful in my career and people assume I've put off having babies to get where I am and think it is ok to ask me why I chose a career over babies. One day I'll snap and tell them that my career was my plan B.

Schmoozer · 03/04/2017 19:12

Fantastic post OP thank you
I have an IVF child and have been unable to have a second
Cue the suggestions to adopt / foster !!!
I have contacted adoption services several times and they would not even take my details. It was a complete non starter 😢

Jellyhanging555 · 03/04/2017 19:13

Beautifully put OP- you made me cry- although I know that wasn't your intention! - all so true and I wish you every happiness in your future. Flowers

Iris65 · 03/04/2017 19:14

Excellent post 💐

Crusoe · 03/04/2017 19:14

Totally agree OP - great post.
Can we stop with the thing about adopters being admirable, selfless, marvellous people though. I adopted because selfishly I wanted a child. After 9 IVF's and a m/c adoption was very much second choice (not second best). I didn't do it because of any noble reasons I did it because I wanted to be a mum and there were no other options. I fully agree no one should feel obligated to adopt because of infertility but please can we drop the idea that adopters are these wonderful breed of people in a different league to others -we are not.
Dons hard hat and wishes OP all the best.

lavenderandrose · 03/04/2017 19:15

You're not wrong, vox

The only thing that's wrong with fertility treatment is doing something that you're not sure about. I would be fine, I think, about using a donor egg and sperm so biologically not really mine at all, but pregnancy and breastfeeding are important to me. I would feel sad if I missed this through adoption, although SS don't want us anyway!

One of the things I have come to understand is it doesn't matter if it makes no sense, if it feels not quite right for you then that's fine because it's your pregnancy/treatment/potential child. You don't have to come up with anything other than "I'm not sure that's for me."

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