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to think you "PTA mummies" will love this and it was definitely written by a MN-etter

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ChickenVindaloo2 · 31/03/2017 21:09

Facebook post: (disclaimer - I am neither a mother nor a PTA member!). "Eleventy billion" --> written by one of us MN lot!
Here goes...

So, shall we talk about the dreaded ‘PTA Mummies’? God, they’re annoying bitches, aren’t they, with their endless raffle tickets, and coffee mornings, and Race Nights, and Wine and Cheese Nights.

Actually, the ‘Let’s Kick The PTA Mummies’ thing gets right on this Mummy’s tits. They’re easy targets, aren’t they, the PTA Mummies? Bossy, smug, AND they think they’re important just because they are allowed in the staffroom sometimes. Mummy used to think the same about them, until she foolishly (drunkenly) agreed to join the PTA, and then somehow ended up spending two years as the PTA Chair, until her soul was crushed and all faith in humanity sucked out of her. So this is what it’s really like being a PTA Mummy versus the myths about the Tyrant Queen Of The Raffle Tickets:

Yes, the PTA mummies are quite pally with some of the teachers. After Mrs Harrison and the PTA Mummies have had to minister to little Olly Johnson at the school fete because his mummy thinks PTA events basically only exist to provide her with cheap childcare at the weekends, so she dropped him off clutching a fiver and she swanned off to the gym, finally returning half an hour after the fete finished, by which time Olly had spent the lot on the tuckshop and was puking the rainbow, a certain solidarity is born. And yes, the PTA Mummies are a tiny bit smug about being allowed into the staffroom sometimes, which let’s face it, was like a portal to another world when you were at school, so it is quite exciting to be allowed in and it is literally the ONLY perk of being on the PTA, even if it turns out to be a bit shit really and very beige, with uncomfortable chairs and unflattering lighting and a lingering scent of bad coffee and broken dreams.

The PTA Mummies send eleventy billion passive aggressive emails. Yes. Yes, they do. They send eleventy billion emails because they are desperately trying to persuade someone, anyone, to volunteer at the event they are organising to raise funds for the school- funds to pay for school trips, and computers, and equipment, and books, and all the other things the school needs, but can’t afford with their limited budget. School trips, computers, equipment and books that everybody’s children benefit from, not just the PTA Mummies’ children. And the emails ARE quite passive aggressive, it’s true, because it is frowned upon to send emails saying “FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WILL SOME OF YOU LAZY FUCKERS STEP UP AND OFFER TO HELP” because they’re good, the PTA Mummies, they have yards of bunting and staple guns and they’re not afraid to use them, and they’re absolute whizzes at transforming a municipal hall into Santa’s Grotto or a cocktail bar using only fairy lights and sellotape, but they cannot run an event for 100 people with only three volunteers, and believe you me, they have heard ALL the excuses about why other parents can’t possibly help, including this Mummy’s personal favourite of “I can’t be expected to spare the time to help with that, I have TWO CHILDREN, you know!” If every parent in every school volunteered to help at one event a year, which probably would actually involve no more than two or three hours of their time A YEAR, then the PTA Mummies would probably send a lot fewer emails, and the emails they did send would be much happier.

Oh, and they’re a bit bloody perfect too, aren’t they, the PTA Mummies? Rocking up at the school barbecue with their vats of homemade houmous, or boxes and boxes of cakes at the coffee mornings? Really, who are they trying to show off to? Or, maybe it’s because all the vegetarians moaned at last year’s barbecue about being fobbed off with boring veggie burgers again, and so the PTA Mummies tried to come up with a more interesting alternative, but houmous is expensive and every event is run on a shoestring, and so they found a cheap recipe to make your own houmous, but they did it last night when they were pissed and now their whole kitchen is sprayed with houmous and they are hungover to fuck and will be chipping houmous off the ceiling for months because actually, they’re only human, and as they smile brightly at you, all they can think of is a medicinal pork pie.

And remember why they’re trying to flog the raffle tickets and pushing the coffee mornings and asking for tombola prizes- it’s for your kids. Remember as well that most people these days work at least part time, if not full time, and these dreadful PTA Mummies are trying to fit the fundraising for the school in around their real jobs and families. Their own children wander abandoned round the PTA events- their mums never see them win the Hook-A-Duck or the Beat the Goalie, because their mums are in the kitchen washing up 200 tea cups, and lying to the treasurer that absolutely they have done a risk assessment, and answering everybody’s questions about what needs done next and what goes where and who’s doing what, and thinking that if they ever, EVER see another fucking raffle ticket again in their life, they will go stark staring mad!

So, PTA Mummies- you are absolute fucking superstars. You help keep the schools running and provide a better education for everyone’s kids. So buy their raffle tickets, and give them a nod of recognition for all they do, along with all the other people who volunteer in schools in other ways. You are all awesome, and fuck anyone who says otherwise. You. Are. Legends. Xxxx

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TinselTwins · 01/04/2017 19:35

BTW our school already has classroom ipads and school computers (a whole suite actually), the PTA were buying extra ones, they already have quite a lot.. so quit the patronising "do you expect them to carve their work into stone tablets)… nobody is saying that! The IT equipment at DDs school is already pretty good so IMO they don't need more.. plus… it wasn't the teachers suggesting they were lacking in them.. the library could do with a restock though.. the teachers have put on a book sale to fund raise for that (with an outside company that gives them a library book for evey book sold at the school gates kinda deal)

grannytomine · 01/04/2017 19:42

Even more so when asked to bake cakes that are then sold for less than the cost of ingredients. This used to drive me mad. I mean what is the point, just ask for the money and cut out the middleman.

I did have a go at the PTA but nearly got lynched. After listening to 90 minutes of arguing about what to spend the money on, with one bright spark who had calculated how many times children could wash their hands with the amount of paper towels that the school could buy suggesting we spend the money on paper towels, I finally suggested that we donate it to the latest appeal for a famine in Africa. It didn't go down well.

elektrawoman · 01/04/2017 20:29

Tinsel - I don't have to 'quit' saying anything, but thanks for telling me what to do.

Quite a few pp have said 'why do they need to buy iPads' so it was a valid point, and I wasn't referring to the situation at your particular school, which I obviously didn't know the detail of as you've only just outlined it. In that case yes there's obviously no need for more iPads but it's not the same in all schools where parents are being asked to buy them.

TheSunnySide · 01/04/2017 20:44

I fucking hate this blog thing. It is so snide and so dismissive.

DuPainDuVinDuBoursin · 01/04/2017 20:57

You definitely never get any of those fake women at private schools.HmmConfused

elektrawoman · 01/04/2017 20:57

Mumzypops - that's a shame, I guess we are lucky then at our school, there's a huge choice of music, some paid for, and some free. I hadn't realised other schools didn't have their own instruments.

I guess this is why there's such a difference in opinion on this thread on why PTAs need to fundraise, because schools have such different needs / priorities, so it's impossible to generalise on whether PTA funding is necessary or not.

DuPainDuVinDuBoursin · 01/04/2017 20:58

I think you'll find traditionally it's the people who can afford to send their children private who could afford to keep wifey at home. Poor people work, or don't because it's too fuck expensive to put them in nursery.

purplecollar · 01/04/2017 21:44

My take? Willing to help out from time to time. Prohibited from doing so by some absolute arses who'd finally been given the power they'd always craved. Rude, obnoxious, over zealous and martyr like - yes I do have to work today and no I don't care if that means they all won't go to the pantomime. Strangely my own worries are rather greater.

Before they existed - the school had books, computers and play equipment and everybody was happy. After they existed - we had a massive bitch fest going on with numerous hideous megabrain encounters and divisions and YES I WOULD RATHER MY DC HAD NO COMPUTER THAN YOU TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THIS.

There I've said it. MIght just be my experience - but it was true for two out of the three schools my dc went to. The last one thankfully was a whole lot better.

MaryTheCanary · 02/04/2017 09:41

Re the iPads thing: I will just point out that countries which have invested heavily in technology, including tablets, have seen basically no returns on this investment whatsoever--and that the worlds' top performing education systems make little use of technology.

www.bbc.com/news/business-34174796

Learning how to code IS valuable, but has nothing to do with playing with an iPad.

Then there is room for debate about other things, like playground equipment or sports things. People may have different opinions about how necessary the playground equipment was--like, was it really worth all the angst? Is it just a nice-to-have? Some people don't care about sports.

It's probably worth thinking carefully about what PTA money is being spent on and how on-board everyone is with the spending priorities before simply making the decision that everyone who does not volunteer is a lazy freeloader.

elektrawoman · 02/04/2017 10:16

Re playground equipment - again I really think it depends on the school. As a child we didn't have that much playground equipment in my school, but we had lovely big playing fields to run around in.

Compare that to the inner-city playground my kid have, mainly concrete, every year getting more crowded due to increase in pupil numbers, and I feel the playground equipment that the PTA bought is really necessary otherwise you have hundreds of children milling around a very small concrete space. There's not enough room to play some of the games I played as a child.

So it depends on the individual school situation. But yes parents should have the option to discuss the spending at PTA meetings. I do remember occasions in the past when our PTA has said no to a spending suggestion because at a meeting the majority felt it was not an appropriate use of funds. So they definitely give it consideration.

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve · 02/04/2017 10:37

real women work full time anyway and pay school fees - problem solved

Yes everyone if you are overrun with jobs for the PTA its your own fault for not being rich. Ridiculous point. Biscuit

SaudadeObama · 02/04/2017 20:30

real women work full time anyway and pay school fees - problem solved.

I only became a woman when I started working and paying school fees!! Shock. Who knew?

Hoppinggreen · 03/04/2017 14:30

I work ( only part time) and pay school fees and am PTA Secretary, not sure what that makes me?

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve · 03/04/2017 14:48

Who knows hopping?Grin

NoLotteryWinYet · 03/04/2017 14:58

one point that hasn't been made yet - the teachers give up a lot of their time to help put on PTA events too. You've been able to direct donate to our primary for ages - does anyone? Erm, no. We found events where people could drop, go to the pub and return slightly drunk a few hours later were quite popular!

NoLotteryWinYet · 03/04/2017 15:07

mary i think you'd have more credibility to determine spending priorities if you helped out or were on the PTA. Complaining about it when you haven't coughed up because you don't approve is a bit putting the cart before the horse. Why not try building a consensus where you volunteer, help, and then get involved in the votes on spending priorities. Otherwise you sound like a whinger tbh.

It's not like the PTA frivolously spending money on jollies at the end of the day.

ArcheryAnnie · 03/04/2017 17:53

Archery Annie....You sound really angry at those parents who don't get involved.

Mumzypopz no, i'm not in the slightest bit angry at those parents for not getting involved. That's their right.

However, I'm pretty damn judgemental at those who don't get involved but somehow manage the time to sneer from the sidelines at those who do the work, and call it "smug" and "worthy". Same for those who make excuses, assume everyone else's time is worth less than their own, and yet still carp at what's being done, or want to dictate what the money is spent on.

BertrandRussell · 03/04/2017 18:13

Absolutely, Annie. Well put.

Mumzypopz · 03/04/2017 18:25

Archery Annie....I'm not on a PTA, but do "donate" each time we are requested to... So I feel I do have the right to say what the money is spent on, and I'm sure a lot of other parents would feel the same. I've never complained though or said anything to people on the PTA. Have people said anything to you at your school?

ArcheryAnnie · 03/04/2017 18:29

If you donate instead of helping out, then it's not you I'm judging, Mumzy.

There's a lot of people on this thread being very sneery.

At my DS's school - no, not sneery at all.

purplecollar · 03/04/2017 19:32

However, I'm pretty damn judgemental at those who don't get involved but somehow manage the time to sneer from the sidelines at those who do the work, and call it "smug" and "worthy". Same for those who make excuses, assume everyone else's time is worth less than their own, and yet still carp at what's being done, or want to dictate what the money is spent on.

Those that don't do it have not asked you to do it. There's a lot in that passage about "doing it for your dc too" - they didn't ask anybody to. They maybe don't see it as important or particularly necessary, given what else they've got going on in their lives. They don't assume your time is worth less. They just don't see it as a priority for them at that time. This is the misunderstanding that goes on. On the one side - we're doing all the work, you lazy sods. On the other - why are you, One of my most memorable encounters with the PTA chair. I'd recently heard that my dad's cancer was terminal. My dm wasn't coping, saying she'd have to commit suicide if he died. They refused all help, claiming the Drs were wrong, it wasn't true - which put a huge strain on the rest of the family, with various relatives phoning wondering what the actual truth was. Meanwhile, my dsis is diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer with a 2 and 4 year old. And the chair comes up to me in the playground and starts screaming at me - you've only got one dc, why can't you do face painting at 1pm today? I had a home working job as well from 9am to 3pm at the time. She was really nasty, vitriolic and humiliating in that same tone as "we're doing all this for your dc and you can't lift a finger".

It's great if someone wants to do it. But it's not life or death and it's not compulsory. And making people feel that it is and that they're deficient for not complying, is pushy and ruins the spirit of those community things.

NoLotteryWinYet · 03/04/2017 20:00

purple there is never any excuse for shouting at people or individually singling them out and your chair behaved appallingly. Otoh, the PTA funds at my dcs' school more than double the school's non-staff budget every year. It's clearly not life and death but it does matter.

ArcheryAnnie · 04/04/2017 13:24

purplecollar I explicitly said that I was judgemental about those who don't do anything but who sneer from the sidelines about those who do. If you aren't sneering from the sidelines, then my comment wasn't about you.

TinselTwins · 04/04/2017 15:37

Same for those who make excuses, assume everyone else's time is worth less than their own

Just because I have more important things to do with my time (I do! even if it's just chilling on MN!) doesn't mean I'm forcing others to "do the work". Im not. Nobody has to. Some people chose to. For lots of reasons that aren't always altruistic, some PTA types are needy and lonely (and need emotional babysitting by anyone else who helps out). Some are just mean and like having a forum for bullying (PTAs can and do attract these types ). I have one friend who openly admits that she does PTA stuff because she feels guily about how much she has to use afterschool care for her kids as she can't do many pick-ups due to work, and doing PTA stuff makes her feel like she's showing an interest in her kids school life…..

Look, what it boils down to is if you want to join the PTA and find it a worthwhile use of your time, that's fine! but don't tell the rest of us you're doing us any favours, you're not IMO. I don't think my kids really "benefit" from any of our PTAs cake re-sales or ongoing dramas over whether or not to plant the border up by school reception...

GoodyGoodyGumdrops · 04/04/2017 19:16

I'm sure your kids benefit from the library books, classroom dictionaries, PE equipment, playground toys and equipment, and subsidised outings .