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to think you "PTA mummies" will love this and it was definitely written by a MN-etter

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ChickenVindaloo2 · 31/03/2017 21:09

Facebook post: (disclaimer - I am neither a mother nor a PTA member!). "Eleventy billion" --> written by one of us MN lot!
Here goes...

So, shall we talk about the dreaded ‘PTA Mummies’? God, they’re annoying bitches, aren’t they, with their endless raffle tickets, and coffee mornings, and Race Nights, and Wine and Cheese Nights.

Actually, the ‘Let’s Kick The PTA Mummies’ thing gets right on this Mummy’s tits. They’re easy targets, aren’t they, the PTA Mummies? Bossy, smug, AND they think they’re important just because they are allowed in the staffroom sometimes. Mummy used to think the same about them, until she foolishly (drunkenly) agreed to join the PTA, and then somehow ended up spending two years as the PTA Chair, until her soul was crushed and all faith in humanity sucked out of her. So this is what it’s really like being a PTA Mummy versus the myths about the Tyrant Queen Of The Raffle Tickets:

Yes, the PTA mummies are quite pally with some of the teachers. After Mrs Harrison and the PTA Mummies have had to minister to little Olly Johnson at the school fete because his mummy thinks PTA events basically only exist to provide her with cheap childcare at the weekends, so she dropped him off clutching a fiver and she swanned off to the gym, finally returning half an hour after the fete finished, by which time Olly had spent the lot on the tuckshop and was puking the rainbow, a certain solidarity is born. And yes, the PTA Mummies are a tiny bit smug about being allowed into the staffroom sometimes, which let’s face it, was like a portal to another world when you were at school, so it is quite exciting to be allowed in and it is literally the ONLY perk of being on the PTA, even if it turns out to be a bit shit really and very beige, with uncomfortable chairs and unflattering lighting and a lingering scent of bad coffee and broken dreams.

The PTA Mummies send eleventy billion passive aggressive emails. Yes. Yes, they do. They send eleventy billion emails because they are desperately trying to persuade someone, anyone, to volunteer at the event they are organising to raise funds for the school- funds to pay for school trips, and computers, and equipment, and books, and all the other things the school needs, but can’t afford with their limited budget. School trips, computers, equipment and books that everybody’s children benefit from, not just the PTA Mummies’ children. And the emails ARE quite passive aggressive, it’s true, because it is frowned upon to send emails saying “FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WILL SOME OF YOU LAZY FUCKERS STEP UP AND OFFER TO HELP” because they’re good, the PTA Mummies, they have yards of bunting and staple guns and they’re not afraid to use them, and they’re absolute whizzes at transforming a municipal hall into Santa’s Grotto or a cocktail bar using only fairy lights and sellotape, but they cannot run an event for 100 people with only three volunteers, and believe you me, they have heard ALL the excuses about why other parents can’t possibly help, including this Mummy’s personal favourite of “I can’t be expected to spare the time to help with that, I have TWO CHILDREN, you know!” If every parent in every school volunteered to help at one event a year, which probably would actually involve no more than two or three hours of their time A YEAR, then the PTA Mummies would probably send a lot fewer emails, and the emails they did send would be much happier.

Oh, and they’re a bit bloody perfect too, aren’t they, the PTA Mummies? Rocking up at the school barbecue with their vats of homemade houmous, or boxes and boxes of cakes at the coffee mornings? Really, who are they trying to show off to? Or, maybe it’s because all the vegetarians moaned at last year’s barbecue about being fobbed off with boring veggie burgers again, and so the PTA Mummies tried to come up with a more interesting alternative, but houmous is expensive and every event is run on a shoestring, and so they found a cheap recipe to make your own houmous, but they did it last night when they were pissed and now their whole kitchen is sprayed with houmous and they are hungover to fuck and will be chipping houmous off the ceiling for months because actually, they’re only human, and as they smile brightly at you, all they can think of is a medicinal pork pie.

And remember why they’re trying to flog the raffle tickets and pushing the coffee mornings and asking for tombola prizes- it’s for your kids. Remember as well that most people these days work at least part time, if not full time, and these dreadful PTA Mummies are trying to fit the fundraising for the school in around their real jobs and families. Their own children wander abandoned round the PTA events- their mums never see them win the Hook-A-Duck or the Beat the Goalie, because their mums are in the kitchen washing up 200 tea cups, and lying to the treasurer that absolutely they have done a risk assessment, and answering everybody’s questions about what needs done next and what goes where and who’s doing what, and thinking that if they ever, EVER see another fucking raffle ticket again in their life, they will go stark staring mad!

So, PTA Mummies- you are absolute fucking superstars. You help keep the schools running and provide a better education for everyone’s kids. So buy their raffle tickets, and give them a nod of recognition for all they do, along with all the other people who volunteer in schools in other ways. You are all awesome, and fuck anyone who says otherwise. You. Are. Legends. Xxxx

OP posts:
Mumzypopz · 01/04/2017 18:00

DuPain...It's not the same as asking your husband to look after the kids at all. A husband is obligated and responsible for his kids, not everyone is obligated to join the PTA. At all. It's very much a choice thing, and people shouldn't be guilt tripped into doing it if they simply don't want to.

Mumzypopz · 01/04/2017 18:02

I'm sure they will manage just fine. Primary schools managed perfectly well over the years without the need for tablets, I pads etc or super duper playground equipment.

jacks11 · 01/04/2017 18:07

Our PTA are generally really good and have raised lots of cash for the school, as well as putting on quite a lot of fun events for the children (and some for the whole family), which have been nice. They also run 2nd hand uniform shop for blazers etc

There is sometimes one person who takes it a bit too seriously/is a bit too officious which can be a pain, but this is hardly unique to PTA's. I sometimes think that PTA get a hard time on MN and I often think it's a bit unfair (unless someone is obviously being an arse) as these people are usually just trying to help the school, something which all children stand to benefit from.

Our PTA raised a significant five figure sum last year from it's various events. The money has allowed the playgrounds to be refurbished and additions such an outdoor play area, as well as new books for the library and some events for the children.

jacks11 · 01/04/2017 18:14

Mumzy

Of course the school doesn't have to have all these additional extras, but it is nice to have a great outdoor play area- and a lot of our school's PTA activities/events do add something to the school "community" feel. These events only happen because the PTA organise them.

I'm not on the PTA, btw- just appreciate that they do work hard for the benefit of the children.

dontbesillyhenry · 01/04/2017 18:17

I just can't get into all this 'mummy is drinking gin and neglecting the kids- he he he' type bollocks that keeps cropping up everywhere lately- it's tedious

Downwardfacingdog · 01/04/2017 18:27

Brasty I totally agree. I'm fine with people not helping, but what makes me want to stand down as Chair of my PTA is the constant criticism of what we're doing. We put events on that kids seem to enjoy and raise thousands a year for school, but all we get is moaning. I enjoy organising events and the social side of it, but find the comments hard to take.

Miniwookie · 01/04/2017 18:28

Oh, and I have a massive problem with the term 'clique'. Totally sexist.

TinselTwins · 01/04/2017 18:30

WHere? confused and who would find the money? The already over stretched staff

easy! skip all the optional-but-not-optional buy back your own cake nonsense, and ask outright for a voluntary enrichment contribution from parents.

I don't find PTA activities at all enriching, I go out of social pressure to "support the school/PTA".. but quite honestly the kids have more fun at the park than at school fayres. I'll rather just skip the middle man and pay an enrichment subscription.

I joined the PTA briefly when I was keen and naiive when my oldest started school. It was dreadful! the "inner circle" just wanted minions to repeat the same tired activities they did every year, and suggestions that the regular DJ was perhaps over priced and maybe we shop around this time were not welcome etc… most nice/normal people who join the PTA leave the PTA IMO

TinselTwins · 01/04/2017 18:37

e.g. the PTA christmas cards designed by your child thing
Our PTA always uses the same pricey company that massively upsells, it's rubbish, the cards are always late (what am I supposed to do with them on the last day of term when all our christmas cards are already posted???). I buy them out of duty, it's neither enriching or fun as the kids don't even get to post them to anyone as they're always so late. Half the stuff they decide to buy (more iPads etc) isn't stuff that I think enriches the school day. There has also been a four year long "discussion" about funding/builidng raised flower beds which in the end a teacher did out of her own money with some kids….

Seriously, I'ld not miss the PTA as much as PTAers think we would if they just stopped.

Mumzypopz · 01/04/2017 18:37

Jack's..I'm sure it is lovely for the community, dont have a problem with that at all ...It works well when people want to help without slagging off those that don't want to...the world would survive without PTAs. We already have a lovely playing field at our school, we don't need play equipment, they love running round the field playing games, using their imagination etc. If they want play equipment that's in the local park next door.

EnormousTiger · 01/04/2017 18:38

I don't even know if my children's private schools have PTAs actually. You kind of pay the fees so you don't need to bother with that stuff and real women work full time anyway and pay school fees - problem solved. You need have to meet the other parents.

AgathaMystery · 01/04/2017 18:41

Tiger are you kidding?! Of course they have PTA!! I'm on one! Who do you think organises the balls & fetes & Xmas markets & quiz nights & sports teas & burns nights & concerts & pays for new musical instruments & specialist equipment & for speakers to come in?!

DuPainDuVinDuBoursin · 01/04/2017 18:41

tinsel posters have repeatedly said that doesn't actually workn when they try it.

TinselTwins · 01/04/2017 18:45

tinsel posters have repeatedly said that doesn't actually workn when they try it

that's funny because teachers manage to bring in the funds for topic related enrichment activities every term at my DDs school

If it's not working, either people aren't being specific about what it's for, or they are and people don't think that it's something of value (see again, more ipads!!!)

TinselTwins · 01/04/2017 18:50

The teacher run enrichment activities are awesome though, really creative stuff. They send out a letter before half term specifying what it is, how much the contributions will be (they're not compulsory but most people pay) and whether they need parent helpers (if its an off site trip). They've never not raised enough to run them or been without volunteers….

… but funnily enough, the "inner circle" of the PTA just "Cant find anyone willing to help the school community" Wink ...

SuperPug · 01/04/2017 18:51

No, it's shit.
A good PTA don't run a school or improve education- Jesus. Slight overkill there...
Lovely comment she's made about the staff room being a place of "broken dreams" even if she is trying to be witty.
They can be brilliant or run by a dictator who genuinely thinks that she/he has control over school policy.

TinselTwins · 01/04/2017 18:51

(there's actually a waiting list for parent helpers for the teacher run enrichment activities.. you have to wait your turn!)

elektrawoman · 01/04/2017 18:52

Quite a few posters have commented that schools don't need the money that the PTA raises. I am not sure which schools those are as I have never heard of one! There's a funding crisis looming in schools - not only the Govt's revised funding formula which if it goes ahead will mean many schools are going to be worse off, but also in real terms due to inflation and increased costs all schools are being stretched more and more. Our PTA subsidises school trips (as many parents can't afford them), and essential equipment like new whiteboards for classrooms. Our PTA would also help with sports/music costs because this was often where the school found it hardest to find money for.

For those who say 'We never know what the money is spent on' - sounds like maybe the Treasurer needs some help! A PTA should be producing an annual report outlining all income and expenditure at the AGM, and inbetween giving a verbal financial report at PTA meetings (or emailing a report to the Chair to read out). Ideally they'd also put in the newsletter a summary of what events have made and what they are fundraising for. However this is a time-consuming task!! I produced accounts for our PTA for a few years and it could be done by someone with the right skills from their home/office. We found that recruiting a Treasurer with the right skills was very difficult.

And for the 'children don't need all these iPads, in our day we managed without them' - not quite sure how teachers will deliver the computing curriculum without them....

JigglyTuff · 01/04/2017 18:59

peaceloveandbiscuits Just for the record, I'm a professional fund raiser. I helped raise over £100,00 for our school (as a volunteer) for a construction project. I've raised a similar sum for another local children charity where I also volunteer.

And I would still prefer to just give £50 at the start of the year.

EnormousTiger - so glad parents like you aren't at our school :)

Mumzypopz · 01/04/2017 19:21

Electra....If whiteboards are essential they should be paid for out of school funds. Our PTA doesn't subsidise school trips, nor does it pay for music instruments etc. Music in our area is optional, so those whose kids want to do it, pay for lessons and hire of the equipment from the local Council.as for sports equipment, how much sports equipment does a school need? As for computing curriculum, school already has some pcs, which they paid for.

elektrawoman · 01/04/2017 19:25

Primary schools managed perfectly well over the years without the need for tablets, I pads etc.
Like it or not, you do realise that nowadays that is the equivalent of saying that children can manage perfectly well without textbooks?

Many schools have been asking parents to cough up for the iPads - will cost a lot more than a tenner...
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2016/aug/09/back-to-school-bill-ipad-technology-parents

jacks11 · 01/04/2017 19:25

mumzy

Of course the world won't end if there weren't PTA's. But I think it is crap for the PTA if they need some help and parents won't offer any assistance. Often parents will then complain if x event doesn't happen/isn't what they wanted etc. You don't sound like you'd be in that category as you wouldn't care if the events happened or not, or whether the money raised by the PTA contributes to additional facilities or equipment. But there are many parents who won't offer help but still feel free to criticise.

I don't agree with slagging people off for not helping, but I think it's a pity that some parents won't ever help out with something that benefits their children.

elektrawoman · 01/04/2017 19:27

Music in our area is optional, so those whose kids want to do it, pay for lessons and hire of the equipment from the local Council.
How lovely that music in your area is only open to those whose parents can afford it then.

TinselTwins · 01/04/2017 19:30

Our school trips don't need to be subsidised because they cost on average £3-£5 per child and enough people pay to cover those who don't. They often go places in walking distance from school and never go farther than the bordering county. They also hire in local companies so sometimes they don't even need to go off site.

the neighbouring church school's PTA heavily subsidises their school trips, but they also influence them and TBH they're ridiculous, often long coach trips (which can't be that fun for small kids) to expensive places (expensivee zoos 2 counties away, trips to london, extra residentials..) so the PTA influenced trips there need to be PTA subsidised because they're so silly and unaffordable.

I think its much nicer that our school uses the local area and local companies.

Mumzypopz · 01/04/2017 19:35

But Electra....Don't you see....There would be no point buying musical instruments, the school cannot store them, monitor them, or have them. This is a Council /school decision to do it this way. All the schools in our area do it this way. If the PTA were to pay for some kids to have lessons and not others, how do they decide who? Plus, those music lessons happen during normal school day. My daughter did it for a while until I found out she was missing maths! So yes, I guess music in our area is only open to those who can afford it.