To think that if working full time still equal grinding humiliating poverty then crime is not only to be expected, it is to be welcomed as a sensible career choice.

[scaryclown]

I.e. when conforming perfectly to the system gets you nothing at all, then it is your duty to take things from the system..
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then you can sit and contemplate your greatness whilst getting three square meals a day in jail.

This really make me chuckle Bluntness

The weird thing is, three meals a day and no bills with perhaps some yoga time and study time would be a dramatic step up in lifestyle, and i suspect with very similar neighbours, so i am really acutely understanding low wage/criminal society and it's motivations.

What's also fascinating is that because i have said my wages are low, some people can't accept that i might be good at stuff and are mentioning things like 'must be ill' or inferring i am fantasising etc. It's very in-ter-es-ting...

Um, nobody has said you're ill because your wages are low.

They've said you sound ill because you're advocating crime.

Op I don't think you are ill. I do pick up on a tone in your posts which includes aggression and resentment and anger and I wonder if you come across like this at work this is what is holding you back.

Now I'm not saying change your attitude and you'll be a hedge fund manager. Or even a teacher or plumber. But McDonald's et al really don't generally care enough about "keeping people down" that they'll constantly ignore a high performer for years and year on end and take steps to push that person out.

My partner doesn't get on with work. He has to work for himself because he just can't get on with people. Socially no problem but in a work setting, it just doesn't happen. Some people are like this

You leave school wil no skills, that gets you a minimum wage job. You educate yourself and/or get experience. Then you are worth more and can get a better job. That's life, you work your way up the ladder.

There is nothing stopping you from applying for a better job

There is nothing stopping you from applying for a better job

Nice display of empathy there. Let me recommend a couple of books - Barbara Ehrenreich, Nickel and dimed: On not getting by in America en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_and_Dimed and Florence Aubenas, The night cleaner www.polity.co.uk/book.asp?ref=0745651992

Great links!

Scary, the reason posters are saying you might be ill is because you say you want to kill people!
Do you genuinely believe the way to make a fairer society is to murder those who are well off?
Even if you are very angry it's unhealthy to want to kill people ffs

What's this? If you notice unfairness and it angers you, you are mental and need medicating?' if you are poor and don't like it you are 'unwell' ?!?

Not at all; there's nothing wrong with being angry if genuine unfairness exists - in fact properly harnessed anger can often get a lot of things done

But suggestions about killing a whole group of people, or insisting that you're repeatedly disciplined over nothing at all as a means to keep you down? Like so many PPs I'm genuinely sorry you're feeling this way, but can't help feeling that some professional help might be in order - not to somehow penalize you, but to help you towards a better future

To be honest, for me, you come across hugely entitled, deluded, lacking self awareness, lacking personal responsibility and irrational,

To actually believe you are being rejected from leadership training as management know how great you are and are worried your greatness will show up fheir own incompetency, that you are disciplined due to fictional reasons to enable them to continue to hide your sheer greatness and to contemplate mass murder and fraud / theft is crazy.

If you're that smart and great how come you can't play the game and get promoted? Get yourself out of poverty? Then move on?

So yes, i think you're living a fantasy. Whether you're mentally well or not I don't know. Does it mean you're not good st stuff, of course not, I'm sure uou have many skills. Facing reality and taking personal responsibility Are clearly not two of them though.

They get the feeling you're unsafe ... well so do I OP When you're debating crime, saying we should kill those doing better than you and think you're a hard done by genius ... you sound like a sociopath ( and not the especially gifted kind).

The false accusation they made that you smiled at someone who hurt themselves.....
The thought occurs that the frame of mind which considers killing other human beings to be justified because society is unfair, might also find a disliked colleague/manager in pain funny.

Come to think of it, if someone really was being repeatedly disciplined for no good reason, wouldn't that be a route to some pretty fancy money in itself? As in the payout a tribunal might aware for victimization?

Not that I'd recommend trying it in this particular case ...

It's still fascinating that people are adding so much. I am saying that it's in the junior managers' interest (not the company's) to make sure there are reasons to block me from training for a job that they would be popped out if to let me do. Senior management know i used to run similar size departments. If you have minor disciplinaries they can insist you wait until they are clear before putting you forward. Not noticing this pattern or strategy would be what less able people do, and yes people who might pursue these tactics subconsciously or who might not believe people do that kind of thing might feel more comfortable with thinking that it's fantasy that anyone anywhere would act in any other way than to completely align with overal company goals, just like it's comforting to believe in the Easter bunny, or that the Aristocracy are benign guardians of a fair and just society.

You're really not coming over well, OP.

But the junior managers in your organisation aren't important or powerful. It isn't these people running the world. I get what you're saying but not quite what you're applying it to

It really doesn't matter whether it's a junior or senior manager involved, OP. The company would be responsible just the same, and repeated and unjustified disciplinaries - which you've clearly stated is what's happening - would almost certainly constitute the sort of grievance which would merit a tribunal (and very possibly a significant payout)

Unless the situation isn't quite as you've presented it of course ...?

Not for less than two years service, and just because i can see above the local strategy doesn't mean that the blocking experience isn't what millions of poor folk experience

You sound like the bitter employee blaming everybody else for their misfortunes and cannot take a look inward. And paranoid.
Should we expect soon breaking news about an asshole with desillusions of grandeur shooting their coworkers?

And what about the suggestion re killing a whole subset of people? Do you feel that's a view "millions of poor folk" share too?

It sounds like you work in retail. Could a union or similar help? How have you tried to sort this out?

It seems you're in a passive state. All this stuff is being done to you. Is there any work place counselling available so you can talk through your feelings in a safe place?

Ofafrenchmind2 has a great approach to reducing murderous feelings!

And who is 'the bitter employee's is it a children's book?