To think that if working full time still equal grinding humiliating poverty then crime is not only to be expected, it is to be welcomed as a sensible career choice.

[scaryclown]

I.e. when conforming perfectly to the system gets you nothing at all, then it is your duty to take things from the system..
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There isn't 'free money' for the chosen lucky sods, inheritance notwithstanding - which requires your parents to die.

They often don't wait until they die. Too there are things like access to private schools, social capital....accents. Not necessarily hard cash....but...

Scary I understand what you are saying.

The £20000 would make no difference to some people. They wouldn't even notice it gone. To you and others it would change your whole life and probably the next generation of your family.

Having no money has made me very bitter towards wealthy people. I don't mean people who genuinely got there on their own. And they are few and far between, there's usually a loan from a family member or a job in a family/friends business.

Inherited wealth makes me feel ill.

Barbarian It was an ironic comment pointing out the ridiculous nature of the OP's argument for saying crime was an acceptable way out of poverty (or that it should even be encouraged). Suggesting crime should be legitimised as a way to prevent poverty is as obnoxious as my ironic suggestion that sterilisation would solve poverty in Africa.

There isn't 'free money' for the chosen lucky sods, inheritance notwithstanding - which requires your parents to die.

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How do you think everyone (whose not a criminal) makes their money OP?

And to the pp (sorry can't be bothered to check who it was upthread) saying that sitting at a desk on a computer all day isn't exactly 'hard work' - it may not be physically hard, but just because they're sat down all day, it doesn't mean they aren't working hard

I sit at a desk all day. I make a decent amount of money. But I definitely do work hard for my money.

Scary - I think you should seek professional help. Wanting to kill people is not a healthy state of mind to be in.

as my ironic suggestion that sterilisation would solve poverty in Africa.

Some people just don't get irony do they?

Ukip and the like really confuse me. Rather then pointing their animosity at migrants it would be better focused on business's, corporations and mps that allow them to enter the country and earn "living wage". To some they can go home and finance a mortgage, run a car, have a family, save for a pension and holidays. Staying in the UK on living wage isn't going to get you far. I'd rather employers less tax but paid decent wages to those that work and want to earn a good standard of living so that there would be no need for working tax credits ect.

Clearly there exist a bunch of extremely wealthy people who can afford to buy their kids houses etc. These people make up a tiny percentage of the population.

There also exists a bunch of very poor people who despite working hard, planning and doing all they can to provide for their families, can't afford the very basics. This also is a very small proportion of the population.

The vast majority of people are in neither of these groups.

What's this? If you notice unfairness and it angers you, you are mental and need medicating?' if you are poor and don't like it you are 'unwell' ?!? Wow. No wonder drug companies are wealthy!

Actually the vast majority of jobs in this country are very low paid. Most factory, retail, warehouse, call centre, care work, self employed, gardening, painting and decorating, driving, infrastructure, events , charity, etc etc etc jobs are low wage

But herotherhalf if better reward for work stopped crime, you'd be against that, because that would be 'rewarding' former "scum'?

Perhaps you could try and be consistent with your argument, then I might be able to debate it with you constructively. You started off proposing that perhaps society should be more accepting of crime as a career choice for the poor, then you turn it around (in the statement above) to proposing that greater opportunity might reduce crime. These are two completely different things.

It also sounds, based on your other posts revealing the true background for your dissatisfaction, that you have a serious attitude problem and a massive chip on your shoulder. Maybe you're not as good at your job as you like to think, or maybe your are technically good at your job but simply do not have an appropriate personality for a management role. I strongly suspect the latter, with perhaps a good dose of the former as well.

Scary there are several of us here that are acknowledging you are in a shit situation and wondering if we offer any collective practical help.
You seem in a bit of a dark place with this thread which is why people are checking you're ok (I think!)
I've seen and like your usual posts apart from your name which makes me shudder and this feels different. That's all

Lots of people do earn a low wage but don't struggle for food.

They are scary and most of this people aren't struggling to the extent you describe. That's why posters are trying to help

Noticing unfairness and being angered by it does not = wanting to kill the rich!

Something slightly unstable seems to be at play here

Can you talk to anyone in RL

I'm sorry but I disagree that sitting at a desk all day is working hard. It isnt. It isn't grafting, coming home dog tired, you aren't physically wearing out your body before it's time. It isn't hard work. You may be stressed and have deadlines and responsibilities but so do all of us.

I understand your frustration. I've had to learn to budget extremely tightly. I watch every penny very closely and always know exactly how much is in my bank account. The last few days before payday are awful.

I have a few friends who 'come from money' and whose parents have bought them flats and houses (and in some cases, second properties as well). At one point I briefly rented a room from one of these friends and it really drove home how very different our finances were. She didn't work, but always seemed to have these vast sums of money in her account - to the point that she once texted me to say my rent hadn't come into her account, only to correct herself a few minutes later saying that it had arrived and she'd just miscalculated. It blew my mind that someone could be confused about whether or not there was a spare £600 in her account!

How are those two aspects incompatible? Herotherhalf..It's like saying 'the tree is green' is inconsistent with 'green is the colour of the tree'

I hear that last post. I have friends that just cannot understand why you wouldn't always make the right decision eg ,' you have to get house insurance's or 'i can't believe you don't get your car serviced regularly' or 'you must get a professional to fit your kitchen to keep the value up' or 'its important to have a break's without realising that these are all decisions you can only make with money.

You refer also to 'right personality for managememt' that too is a function of money. I do have precisely the centres, generous, unflappable organised personality for management when i can eat properly, sleep properly pay my bills and self-manage

Presstheresetbutton I was worked in a physically demanding job for 8 years so I do know a thing or 2 about hard labour. But sitting at a desk answering emergency call after emergency call with screaming and distressed people at the other end of the phone (and also management constantly on your back about stats) is mentally and emotionally draining and some days I come home feeling more tired and drained than I ever used to having spent 12 hours on my feet. Just because I'm not literally working my fingers to the bone, it doesn't mean I'm not working hard (to save people's lives) day in day out!!!!

I think it's just different. After a days physical work I am slurring my words and unable to walk straight but my mind feels liberated- especially building work! Because you concentrate so hard on it.

But in my day job as a senior manager I sit at a desk but it's mentally incredibly stressful. Panic attack inducing stressful.

Exactly Insta, it's different, but to suggest that sitting at a desk isn't hard work is just a bit....disillusioned.

It's weird, because the more ability and potential I show, the more I get promoted. You're going to have to work out a way to apply for other jobs and show your greatness there. Unless of course you resort to a life of crime end up in jail and with a criminal record, then you can sit and contemplate your greatness whilst getting three square meals a day in jail.

Alternatively. You might not be as great as you think.

I get where you're coming from OP but I don't think you'll get a very sympathetic hearing here! Why is stealing food when you're poor a crime? Why isn't a poor person not having enough food in the first place a crime? Because laws are voted by rich people to keep poor people in their place. A fairer society would make it a criminal offence for people to hog resources (such as second homes) while others go without.