... for those who are devastated about Brexit, how are you dealing with the fear and depression and anxiety?

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Has anyone got any strategies? I am genuinely not one for melodrama, but I am devastated, angry, terrified, depressed, and I feel so utterly helpless. Nothing in my lifetime has made me feel like this, and I just can't imagine feeling like this for the next two years and beyond. I can hardly bear to listen to the news, but I feel compelled to anyway. How are other remainers dealing with this, what are your coping strategies? And what, if anything, can we DO?

Good grief SpringSpringSpring I imagine most people believe in 'peace in Europe.' What a pompous and trite thing to say.

Because it's a massive Internet forum and people post what they wish within the guidelines.

danger your post told us all that you wanted to go to Scotland because of the English attitudes. How ridiculous. There are good and bad in any country. Racists on both sides. We both cited incidents.

The real situation is nicols will keep tearing Scotland apart until she gets the indeoendance vote she craves while most English people really don't care what Scotland do anyway.

spring I am sorry but really re read your post. It's a tad dramatic and for your info I voted to remain.

The opening post was dramatic in the extreme. I have a sister like this who dramatised herself all the time. It's wearying and narcissistic.

It's a tad dramatic > your view brew

Today is a fucking awful day > my view

See how it works? Different people react differently, and you don't get to decide what emotional response other people should have.

I got anxious initially, but now it is happening I don't think there is anything we can do on a personal level apart from manage our finances and keep working hard. Or am I missing something? Cross fingers, ignore and carry on!!

spring you do realise that its attitudes like yours in labelling brexiteers as thick empathy deprived arseholes actually led to this situation don't you?

This!! Some people just never learn then act all shocked, anxious, depressed, terrified, outraged, when the inevitable happens.

Different people react differently, and you don't get to decide what emotional response other people should have.

Yes they do and you are entitled of course, to think differently. It doesn't however give you license to name call some quite nasty things.

You also aren't the thread police and don't get to decide who does or doesn't post.

I didn't want Brexit however I don't going around having a go at people who think differently.

I just feel pissed off. And when May talks about us needing to pull together I remember her 'citizens of nowhere' speech and the fact she claims to be enacting the will of the people, seemingly ignoring at least half the country. I'm not standing by her in this. I'll oppose it all the way.

brew maybe you've projected your own thoughts onto my post.

I don't like the way the country is going= don't like racism but also don't like Theresa May, don't like the way the education system is going, the health system, the social care system. The cosy-ing up to Trump.

And the who entitled attitude of those negotiating. We're a small island (the whole of Britain). We really aren't that "great".

Awesome - my first description as "vile" in ten years on MN: I've finally arrived

Did you miss the part in my post, all where I said I was a Remainer?

It's happening. And we have a choice - We can get in a state over something we can't control, to the extent we post like OP. Or we can look to our own resilience, keep a lid on our reading of doom-mongering op-ed writers, hold our heads up high and get on with it. All of us who'd been through CBT know catastrophising isn't helpful as a coping strategy. It just makes us more anxious, stressed and out of control.

lucy I hear you- the FT is really great. Ambrose Pritchard-Evans, in the Telegraph, also does some excellent work, for those seeking the positives. And the current issue of The Economist - which was Remain also- is brilliant: stuffed to the gills with insightful analysis. I threw this morning's Guardian, by contrast, across the room. Their relentless negativity gave me the rage. (Before anyone says anything: it was my personal copy, and I was in my own front room.)

spring of course it's your view * you know mine. That's the idea of aibu!

danger great isn't about being a big or powerful country. It's about peace, free speech, free healthcare and democracy. We are great.

danger great isn't about being a big or powerful country. It's about peace, free speech, free healthcare and democracy. We are great

Well said

I'm sad too, but life has to go on. We have to adjust as well as we can and be ready to vote and campaign if and when we can.

I have thrown myself into campaigning on issues that matter to me, with small achievable aims. It's helping.

I find burying my head firmly in the sand is quite effective.

Twatty - another vote for Ambrose Pritchard Evans - I always feel I come away better informed from reading one of his articles. Despite sharing a lot of your rage re. the Guardian, their economics editor, Aditya Chakrabortty, has also written some thoughtful, balanced pieces. And I liked the fact that Diane Abbot (remain through and through) pointed out that there was a long and principled tradition of euroscepticism on the left, including the late, great Tony Benn. Anyone who can move us away from the despairing and false view that we suddenly woke up the morning after the referendum to discover that 17 million of our compatriots were knuckle dragging, terminally stupid racists, is a good thing in my books.

I also totally agree that catastrophising gets us nowhere. (Most people I know in RL are somewhere in the middle and just getting on with things).

Well, twatty, it's not how you voted in the referendum that I'm bothered about here, it's how you treat people who are upset by the referendum result. I don't particularly care one way or another how you voted: I do care that some people seem to think nasty, sneering, dismissive treatment of other's fears is perfectly acceptable. I have friends who voted leave who are capable of refraining from being vile about the fears and sadness of those who feel devastated and threatened by the brexit. Voting to remain doesn't give you license to be unpleasant to your fellow remainers who are struggling to come to terms with it. It's not a get out of jail free card.

Seriously, you're anxious and depressed over Brexit, slight over reaction no? So far nothing has happened and we will deal with things as and when they happen. I voted to remain but I hardly think that leaving is going to be that terrible.

cheese it's so frustrating isn't it?

This nasty sneering and calling people thick is why labour is in the state it's in as it's been hijacked th extreme left wingers who are as dangerous snd nasty as extreme right wingers.

It's why we are out of the EU now snd those same people who are to blame, papers like the guardian whose journalists and readers sneered and decried people's legitimate worries about mass immigration can't hold up there hands and accept it's their bloody fault UKIP did well and we are out!

Corbyn too.

I will always remember the call when the person at the end of the phone was insulted because I asked her to spell Slough. And abruptly asked to speak to an English person... brings back memories!

In the nicest possible way op......get a grip

You are being totally melodramatic.

If this is the most devastating thing to happen in your life I genuinely envy you.

cheese it's so frustrating isn't it? This nasty sneering and calling people thick is why labour is in the state it's in as it's been hijacked th extreme left wingers who are as dangerous snd nasty as extreme right wingers.

Agreed. For what it's worth and people can believe me or not, I don't care, but I voted to remain.
The amount of bile and viciousness pouring from some (not all) remainers is absolutely disgusting though.
How can they not see spouting left wing extremism is just as damaging and foul as those on the right? It's like the two sides of a coin and both sides equally poisonous.
I just can't see the point of all the chest beating, crying, wailing, and name calling.
It's happened, whether we like it or not. We can either go on sobbing and declaring it the end of the world, or get on with seeing what we can do to make it better, making the best we can of the situation, and seeing what happens.
Maybe it's my optimistic streak kicking in, but I'd much rather be of this mindset than running myself down and making myself sick about it all.

I actually really like England but there are certain people of a certain mindset and who have a particularly aggressive way of talking that really, really grate on my nerves. Very much, "you want some? eh? eh?" type of speak.

Do you think that some countries have no aggressive people? What a bizarre thing to say.

These threads always seem a bit unsavoury to me. You can go back less than 100 years to a time where people were being bombed out of their homes and they managed to deal with scary, unstable times whilst still being positive and hopeful.

I can only think we've got so used to this cosseted way of life we are just paralysed with fear about the future if any change happens. I also doubt this will be the worst thing you have to deal with in your lifetime OP sadly.

This^.

I cope with it by getting on with my own life and not caring very much about it.

I feel quite anxious about it all although I think I am more worried about Scotland leaving the UK now.

On another issue, I fear the rise of a two-tier society where many British people (who may have voted to remain) will lose their rights to live, work and study in the EU - but those who can get EU passports eg through an Irish granny (and who may have voted Leave) can continue to enjoy those rights. Therefore, I think it is crucial that there is some sort of associate citizenship for those who want it.

As an example, my ds and a friend are both studying Spanish and both enjoy sport. My ds' friend will be able to get their dream holiday job at La Santa on Lanzarote. My son will not (unless a work visa is granted). Both were born and brought up in the UK of British parents - but my son's friend's grandmother has an Irish passport. So all those opportunities remain open to him - but are closed off to my son and many many others.

Indeed cheese

No margret of course just English people. . It's enough to devastate one isn't it?