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to start a thread about trans panic because there have only been seventy six already

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GustyParson · 28/03/2017 17:22

Trans people want to steal your rights! And stroke your cat. They want to colonise your child's reading books, infiltrate your favourite prisons, appropriate the gold medals you would otherwise win for your peerless skills on the pummel horse, take the best seats on the Tube, demand that midwives talk exclusively about pregnant fathers, haunt your preferred changing rooms, run rampant through the Brownie Guides, go unchallenged in every echelon of the WI, burn all your favourite pronouns in an industrial furnace, benefit from all your oppression, demand your pet dog be addressed as Mx, frolic carelessly across the flower bed you've only just planted for God's sake, insist that there are more than two genders, require to be recognised as the gender 'combine harvester' one day and the gender 'quail' the next, piss on the toilet you wanted to reserve for your friends, and call you Cis which is like totally cruel because it sounds like sissy.

Alternatively, trans people are people, they are not trying to hurt you, most of you have never met one, none of you need to feel threatened by them, and there really isn't a need to start fifteen threads a week fretting that they're going to steal your last Bourbon Cream, appropriate or destroy feminism, or change your baby's name from Thomas to Pixie. Seriously, calm down.

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Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 15:58

Enthusiasm, I find that kind of argument which speaks to your experience as a woman (and therefore is open to other people's experiences as women - incl trans women) constructive, persuasive and a really good opening point for discussion. With huge apologies: the baby has woken up this time, despite a fake-wake 10 mins ago, so I really am offski this time.

Datun · 31/03/2017 15:59

I'll tell you what she will be told, she will be told to be more tolerant.

A 12 year old girl faced with man's penis in her changing room will be told that she is intolerant for her discomfort.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/24/chris-cuomos-response-on-what-to-tell-a-girl-who-doesnt-want-to-see-a-penis-in-the-locker-room/amp/

Bambambini · 31/03/2017 16:05

Billsykes - look if you want to come here spouting your racist, sexist agenda - don't expect folk to listen to your ugly rants.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 31/03/2017 16:13

While not all women will have shared my experience of ever being fearful or a man simply because he is a man a trans woman won't have experienced that fear that the other person can over power them becuase they are of the opposite sex so far more likely to be bigger and far stronger

I don't stand a chance of fighting off an average size I have learn from play frighting how much stronger men are physically

That is why women need spaces so they don't have to worry about this

picklemepopcorn · 31/03/2017 16:13

Bill slight problem here: "speaks to your experience as a woman (and therefore is open to other people's experiences as women - incl trans women".
Transwomen do not have experiences as women, they have experiences as transwomen. Some of those experiences are very tough. They are not the experienced as women experience them though. Sometimes they are worse, sometimes better, not the same and not experienced as women.

DanDanDanDanDan · 31/03/2017 16:19

Oh so the advice for girls is don't upset a penis bearer, save their dignity?

Unless of course you're assaulted in which case, why didn't you say no!

Same old same old

Datun · 31/03/2017 16:25

Exactly DanDanDanDanDan.

Women and teenage girls won't walk across a deserted carpark, will cross the road if a dodgy looking guy is following them, will sit nearer to the woman on the bus rather than lone men, will feel uncomfortable if the train carriage empties leaving them alone with a man.

But a naked man next to them whilst they're changing - that's fine! Be tolerant dammit.

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Datun · 31/03/2017 17:43

morningrunner

I think you're absolutely right. Most men don't get it, unless you explain it. And even then they think oh no, that's awful, then put it out of their heads and carry on with their lives.

Unfortunately, transwomen, especially the late transitioning ones are even worse.

To them a male gaze is desirable. The fantasy of womanhood that they yearn for includes a measure of objectification. Not only do they not accept women's accounts of sexism, they disagree with the premise anyway.

Iris65 · 31/03/2017 18:46

I think you'll find tht its a case of realising that its absolutely hopeless to try and talk any sense or to reason with a lot of posters on these kinds of threads rather than 'Bigot...flounce.'

Some people enjoy repeating themselves. Some have other things to do. In my experience there is nothing that can be posted that will make some posters listen to others or treat other views with respect.

And yes, the abuse, being constantly being misquoted, and deliberately misunderstood is very, very tiresome. It is madness to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

I am just glad that policy makers have a lot more sense than some of the posts on these threads.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 31/03/2017 18:54

Yes, that's the weird paradox. The louder that so many claim they are women and the more they stamp and shout and demand the more their maleness and assumption of the patriarchal privilege they were born with becomes so, so obvious.

venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 18:57

YY. Are we just supposed to ignore that?

Iris65 · 31/03/2017 18:59

Datun The source you share is for TheBlaze.com.

This the same Blaze that Glenn Beck is the main host for?

Oh yes..Glenn Beck - the well known objective, measured, insightful commentator....The guy who called President Obama a racist and who is regularly called out for promoting conspiracy theories and being a hypocrite?

If that is the kind of place some posters get their information from it is now clear what (part of) the problem is.

BigDeskBob · 31/03/2017 19:03

I agree morningrunner. I've just watched the latest Magdalen berns posting. She included a few male TV host saying how ridiculous it was to fear tw in women's spaces. As if they have any idea and its any of their fucking business. Good video(?), but it sent my blood pressure sky high.

Datun · 31/03/2017 19:04

iris

My respect for transactivists disappeared up the bloody wazoo when I read what they say about women.

Datun · 31/03/2017 19:08

iris

The tweet in question was from Chris Cuomo.

"Christopher Charles Cuomo is an American television journalist. He currently works at CNN, and has previously been the ABC News chief law and justice correspondent and the co-anchor for ABC's 20/20."

venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 19:19

She included a few male TV host saying how ridiculous it was to fear tw in women's spaces. As if they have any idea and its any of their fucking business.

Yes. I felt the same. it's that male privilege in action.

Bambambini · 31/03/2017 19:45

I think you'll find tht its a case of realising that its absolutely hopeless to try and talk any sense or to reason with a lot of posters on these kinds of threads rather than 'Bigot...flounce.'

Some people enjoy repeating themselves. Some have other things to do. In my experience there is nothing that can be posted that will make some posters listen to others or treat other views with respect.

And yes, the abuse, being constantly being misquoted, and deliberately misunderstood is very, very tiresome. It is madness to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

I am just glad that policy makers have a lot more sense than some of the posts on these threads."

Iris - how arrogant. Yes, that's exactly how many gender critical posters feel. Iris do you listen and listen with respect? You obviously see yourself as the voice of reason, talking sense - do you even consider you could be wrong on this?

Hellothereitsme · 31/03/2017 19:59

Agree Datum. Was 100% with them until I came across Paris and others and seen some of the FB sites. They hate women. Their FB are abusive and sexist. Yet FB refuses to take down lady cock posts etc

Datun · 31/03/2017 20:08

Hellothereitsme

I have seen such a lot of really quite barbaric abuse coming from transactivists. Towards minors, women, lesbians. It totally turned me around.

I do understand how people who know very quiet, harmless transwomen don't get this. I wouldn't either if that was my experience.

I took a long look for myself, both for and against. I realised that the people shouting the loudest are often white, middle-class, well off men. They have the power.

None of this was a thing 10 years ago. The reason it is a thing is now is because the people who want it the most are the people who should be excluded.

egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 20:25

People might be interested in this:

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/north-carolina-senate-acts-to-repeal-restrictive-bathroom-law.html

The context: North Carolina passed a bill which basically said that people had to use the bathrooms in federal / State buildings that corresponded to their birth certificate. There was a massive outcry.
There was also a part that said that LGBT people could not claim for discrimination from federal / state employers for being LGBT.

The bill has been partially repealed.

Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, signed legislation repealing the law after it was approved by the Republican-controlled legislature. House Bill 2 had restricted the ability of municipalities to enact anti-discrimination policies and required transgender people in government and public buildings to use the bathroom that corresponds with the gender on their birth certificate.

In addition to repealing House Bill 2, the new law gives the General Assembly the sole power to regulate access to “multiple occupancy restrooms, showers or changing facilities.” It also creates a moratorium on local nondiscrimination ordinances through 2020.

On Thursday, the American Civil Liberties Union and Lambda Legal, a gay rights group, called the compromise a “fake” repeal bill that “keeps in place the most harmful parts of the law.” The Human Rights Campaign and other gay rights groups called the deal “shameful” and accused the governor and the legislature of engaging in a “sell out” of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Some religious and cultural conservatives denounced the removal of transgender bathroom provisions. Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, based in Washington, said the compromise showed that “elected officials are ultimately willing to surrender to the courts and the N.C.A.A. on matters of safety and public policy.” Others argued that girls and women would be robbed of privacy and dignity if forced to confront biological men in restrooms.

Gay rights advocates said that the moratorium on local anti-discrimination ordinances, combined with the absence of a statewide anti-discrimination law addressing sexual orientation and gender identity, would leave lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people at risk of continued discrimination.

Under the new law, transgender people in state government buildings will not be prohibited from using a bathroom that does not match the gender on their birth certificate. Mr. Cooper emphasized the impact on school children. “Now transgender kids aren’t subject to the horrible requirement and embarrassment that could put them in more danger of being bullied or preyed on,” he said.

The Obama-era Justice Department had issued guidelines to public schools stating that denying students the ability to use the restrooms of their choice violated Title IX, the 1972 federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in education. A Virginia case that might have settled the matter was scheduled to be heard by the United States Supreme Court, but when President Trump’s Justice Department rescinded the guidelines, the justices in March sent it back to a lower court to decide.

Jane Wettach, a law professor at Duke, said that beyond schools, few institutions had ever policed people’s bathroom choices. “Which is what made the law sort of symbolic,” she said, referring to House Bill 2.

ahamsternest · 31/03/2017 20:35

It seems to be that behaviour that trans activists construe as "transphobia" is just fear of male violence.

Not wanting a person with a penis in your space = fear of male violence.
Worrying about children being in changing rooms with be-penised people = fear of male violence.

None of it is hysteria about trans. It is fear of men. Legitimate fear that people would understand if they had grown up as a woman (with a vagina).

Coatgate · 31/03/2017 21:00

Have you posted this somewhere else ego?

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