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to start a thread about trans panic because there have only been seventy six already

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GustyParson · 28/03/2017 17:22

Trans people want to steal your rights! And stroke your cat. They want to colonise your child's reading books, infiltrate your favourite prisons, appropriate the gold medals you would otherwise win for your peerless skills on the pummel horse, take the best seats on the Tube, demand that midwives talk exclusively about pregnant fathers, haunt your preferred changing rooms, run rampant through the Brownie Guides, go unchallenged in every echelon of the WI, burn all your favourite pronouns in an industrial furnace, benefit from all your oppression, demand your pet dog be addressed as Mx, frolic carelessly across the flower bed you've only just planted for God's sake, insist that there are more than two genders, require to be recognised as the gender 'combine harvester' one day and the gender 'quail' the next, piss on the toilet you wanted to reserve for your friends, and call you Cis which is like totally cruel because it sounds like sissy.

Alternatively, trans people are people, they are not trying to hurt you, most of you have never met one, none of you need to feel threatened by them, and there really isn't a need to start fifteen threads a week fretting that they're going to steal your last Bourbon Cream, appropriate or destroy feminism, or change your baby's name from Thomas to Pixie. Seriously, calm down.

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Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 14:05

Really I've ensured "rational discourse" hasn't suffered too badly by highlighting the posters you can refer back to, who, seeing as I'm a crap clump of rubbish words, have helped me to express myself Wink. Plus I thought we just needed to say whether or not we were Spartacus?

Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 14:09

Dan but you really are against trans rights.... and the jist and tone in general is pretty fucking horrendous. People on here are waving up the few issues of arseholes using trans as a cover for CRIME to negate the horrific bigotry that transwomen face.

Datun · 31/03/2017 14:16

Billsikesbullterrier

What rights are we denying transwomen specifically?

ArcheryAnnie · 31/03/2017 14:24

Alternatively, trans people are people

Nobody disputes this. Nobody at all.

they are not trying to hurt you

Except for the ones that post death threats, pose with baseball bats and knives, call women's employers to try and get them sacked, invade women-only spaces, steal women's resources, trash women's libraries, close down working-class resource centres because they had the nerve to invite a working-class lesbian to speak, etc etc etc.

most of you have never met one

Yes! We all live in boxes and never leave our flats! None of us have been out and active in LBBT+ activist circles for decades! No siree!

none of you need to feel threatened by them

Except for when we are threatened by them, in which case it really isn't your job to tell us we shouldn't be,

and there really isn't a need to start fifteen threads a week fretting that they're going to steal your last Bourbon Cream, appropriate or destroy feminism, or change your baby's name from Thomas to Pixie.

One of these things is not like the others.

Seriously, calm down.

Women! So hysterical!

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 31/03/2017 14:25

That still doesn't recognise that many women do not want to share facilities with those that are not female

I do not want to share some spaces with those that are not female regardless of sex dysphoria, operations and hormone treatment isn't going to change someone who is 6'2 and is muscular

So either we have unisex for those who don't mind and female spaces are kept for girls and for males or we shut the fuck up and accept the that women once again have decisions made for them

Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 14:34

Dan the right to have their issues understood and framed within the general abuses of patriarchy, where they are also victims and not abusers? The right not to be framed as rapists and criminals when they are more likely to be raped and experience criminal levels of violence? The simple right not to be welcomed into a forum of supposedly sympathetic, feminist women who are so worried about some random bloke somewhere who used 'trans" to commit crime that they can't see the wood from the funghi, because they're ignoring the trees?

Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 14:35

I meant "to be welcomed..."!

venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 14:38

The right not to be framed as rapists and criminals when they are more likely to be raped and experience criminal levels of violence?

Bullshit. You're just regurgitating the same old trans propaganda.

Datun · 31/03/2017 14:40

Billsikesbullterrier

I understand transwomen can be victims. So tick.

I do not frame all transwomen as rapists and criminals. So tick.

They are perfectly welcome to support feminism and some do so brilliantly. So tick.

What else?

Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 14:48

Dan good that you understand that! I therefore don't have to worry about existing in the same world as you. turns attention to the other bigots.

egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 14:52

I very much doubt anyone here is against transsexuals as we used to know them in women's toilets etc

Apart from

I do not want to share some spaces with those that are not female regardless of sex dysphoria, operations and hormone treatment isn't going to change someone who is 6'2 and is muscular

So there are people who are against transsexuals in women's toilets. And there are those who aren't.

venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 14:55

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venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 14:58

So there are people who are against transsexuals in women's toilets. And there are those who aren't.

I think there is a difference between "turned a blind eye" and "totally OK with it".

Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 15:04

Venus do you know what an ad hominem attack is?

HTH

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Datun · 31/03/2017 15:06

Billsikesbullterrier

I still don't know what rights there are that we are denying transwomen. Yes they can be victims, no they're not all rapists, yes they can support feminism.

No one has said the opposite to that, anywhere. If they have let me know.

ego

Transsexuals, as you know, used to be admitted to women's toilets as a courtesy. The dynamic shifts massively when that courtesy becomes a right.

egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 15:06

I think there is a difference between "turned a blind eye" and "totally OK with it

Like a spectrum?

venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 15:08

Yes. You are making them yourself.

HTH.

venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 15:08

If you like, ego.

Datun · 31/03/2017 15:08

Today 15:04 Billsikesbullterrier

Venus do you know what an ad hominem attack is?

HTH

That made me laugh out loud!

venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 15:09

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 31/03/2017 15:22

Yes I want some spaces that are women only and not only toilets/changing but also refuges and support groups

I don't want to be in a position where I feel uncomfortable and being female I am well aware and have been from a young age that becuase I have a vagina I am at times vulnerable these spaces have allowed me not be on my guard

Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 15:23

Rights and courtesy?? Really? When women had fewer rights than they do today, some "enlightened"husbands used to ignore the fact that the law gave them ownership of their spouses "as a courtesy". Thankfully the fact that a man no longer owns his wife became "a right". (Please insert {black people/lynching}, {women/maternity leave} or a trillion other examples here!)

venusinscorpio · 31/03/2017 15:26

Please insert a better argument.

Billsikesbullterrier · 31/03/2017 15:30

Please insert a counter-argument as to when it was ever better that human rights be a "courtesy" rather than enshrined in law.

Datun · 31/03/2017 15:32

Yes please use a better argument!

If would help if you were more specific. What do you see that are currently courtesies which should be turned into rights in terms of the trans ideology?