Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

Op I do think to. To a certain extent you are reflecting your background.

She is not the problem. She is annoying not murderous.

Just like in the responses to the death of Martin McGuinness this week Norman Tebbit was not the problematic person despite responses to his views that Ii read.

Whatever you think of her views, she's a shit writer.

Hilarious whoever said about the cyber men.

I think for me, the great irony of KH is that she often talks about her own Christian faith in these articles (in this one it's some shit about the cross and the crescent).

Islam is a relatively young religion- about 1400 years old. When Christianity was at a similar "age" what did the white British christians do... ? Mount the bloody crusades!!! Ravaging lands to the east, perpetuating vile atrocities- rape, mass nursed, pillaging...acts of terror.

I'm not excusing the rise of radical Islam, but I do wonder if this isn't just part of the trajectory of a religion asserting itself (as Christianity did). And KH would do well to remember that Islam is far from the only religion with blood on its hands.

I wonder if she'd have been as quick to criticise Catholics/Irish in the 1980's when the IRA were placing bombs and attempting assassinations

If you read her condemnation of Martin McGuiness earlier in the week I would say she would be equally vocal.

I had the displeasure of meeting her once and she was revolting.

She crossed the line years ago.

It's not as easy as saying if you don't agree with her, don't read her articles. Her articles are hateful and inciteful, patronising and spiteful. It truly was a sad day when she was chosen for the Apprentice and spewed out in the media and into our lives.

Unfortunately the solutions are manifold and long term.

Standing on the outside and demanding that a religion modernises is likely to be counterproductive.

However, standing by and doing nothing while the government signs off on the opening of new faith schools, which will allow 100% religious selection, makes us all somewhat complicit in further segregation and the problems it can bring.

I don't like Ms Hopkins for many reasons. The worst kind of bigot.

And yet.... There is some truth. We fool ourselves that we have second and third generation Muslim people in the U.K. Living in integrated communities, we are a tolerant country, we are enlightened and accept differences of all sort. We live in a democracy and enjoy free speech. All good. Underneath all of this, whether we like it or not, we have a number of Muslims who hate us, want Sharia law, want to see our country become a Muslim State. We have this. It's a fact.

Years ago, I worked in a mostly Asian community. Underlying the surface of "community" I witnessed bigotry and hatred toward white people. A family I worked closely with and had known professionally for several years refused to be treated by me because I had not upheld their abuse of the system. I did this not because they were a Muslim family but because what they were doing was not legal. To my face, they called me "gora" - "white woman" with real hatred. I have never forgotten it. I worked in Oldham at the time of the riots. Again, real hatred.

I won't open the DM link, so can't comment on this article. In general she comes across as hateful and bigoted. Having good manners doesn't change the content of what she says.

Underlying the surface of "community" I witnessed bigotry and hatred toward white people

I suspect that underneath the surface, there is bigotry and hatred by groups of people to other groups of people.

Tsalta, i have to admit i didn't read it - did she say all Irish were cockroaches or just all Irish Catholics? Did she say all Catholics should be banned?

holdback

The Apprentice has a LOT to answer for.

Ultimately, we can blame Talkback Thames (the production company) for all of this. And Trump.

If you substitute 'Judiasm' for the stuff she writes about Islam, she's right there beside Hitler.

And she writes like a very bad sixth former.

The debate about multiculturalism - this from 2010 says it is hard to debate because there are two different meanings of multiculturalism, but only one word. So when we talk about "is multiculturalism good or bad?", we need to be clear which meaning we are referring to.
One meaning is about what it is like to live in a diverse society, and the other meaning is a set of political policies. TBH I'm finding the article quite hard to get my head around (ill with brainfog), but someone else might find it interesting reading.

I agree Apple, we are in danger of becoming desensitised to these horrible situations with the hearts and candles and hashtags. My teen DD was saying yesterday that her social media was full of 'pray for London' type posts with sad face emojis when many had actually no understanding what has happened.

To my face, they called me "gora" --

Gora means white male, are sure you are not a man?

I think the issue of terrorism is far more complex than KH suggests - the UK has had an active role in fomenting it, alongside the US.

That said, I agree that multiculturalism could easily be perceived as a major failure for those who live outside the 'bubble' (I'm probably on the inside of the bubble).

The problem is if you bend the tolerance of western society to fit the intolerance of some elements of Islamic society it will always cause resentment.

I always think whose rights are more important? Mine as a woman when an Islamic man wouldn't address me directly or shake my hand at a business meeting simply because I was a woman or his as a Muslim? Who do we choose to offend?

Years ago, I worked in a mostly Asian community. Underlying the surface of "community" I witnessed bigotry and hatred toward white people.

And was a national newspaper giving them a regular column to vent their hate and spite?

And was a national newspaper giving them a regular column to vent their hate and spite

Along with papers with headlines like...

i think the cockroaches refers to the brown people who regularly die trying to get here on makeshift boats.

this is what happens when people take advantage of a permissive country with freedom of speech. I don't see extremists living it up in a Saudi Arabia.

Ha ha - the extremists are in charge in Saudi! They are living it up big-style.

Mine as a woman when an Islamic man wouldn't address me directly or shake my hand at a business meeting simply because I was a woman or his as a Muslim?

To start with nobody has the right to touch anyone.
And it also works in reverse. Some Muslim women will not shake hands with men, regardless of how high up they are.
I've seen both instances.

Would you insist someone had to kiss a Russian on the lips if that was their custom?

I won't click a DM link or read any bile that vile woman has spouted. You don't need to read it to realise that it isn't coincidence that the only paper who will employ her is one which daily spouts hate speech, casual racism and utter lies.

The only appropriate response imo to an incident like yesterday involves: sorrow for the situation, sympathy for victims and families, praise for people who helped and at most condemnation for the attackers themselves.

Never assume anything. You don't know the agenda, the contacts, the motives etc. You have no idea if it was a loner with issues or part of a coordinated attack. Anyone who speculates just makes things worse. Assumptions often lead to more hatred and more issues. The guy who shot Jo Cox was white. He is every bit as much as a terrorist as the guy involved yesterday. Terrorists have no rules. There aren't identifying features we can spot. You don't know what race, colour or creed they are.

To start with nobody has the right to touch anyone.

It's customary to shake hands in the UK upon meeting someone. Any employer would be wise to fire someone who can't deal with this, or certainly relegate them to a non-customer facing role.

Would you insist someone had to kiss a Russian on the lips if that was their custom?

I work for a Russian company and no one has ever tried to kiss me on the lips!

I just read it now and it's mostly a perfectly reasonable article. To suggest her words are as bad as the murders is obviously not correct.