Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

But why wouldn't he address me or shake my hand? Because women shouldn't be at work? Because women are not equal? why shouldn't that attitude be challenged? It won't change unless it is

She is not the problem. She is annoying not murderous.

She's more than "annoying".

And are you saying that people spouting venom have no responsibility for inciting hate and eventually murderous acts? It's all part of the same dynamic and the same problem.

Thanks for that enormous flower i was starting to wonder if i am the mad one..

It's so easy to hate and to write an article and tweet such simplistic soundbites.

But what's the point? Soundbites are easy. Solutions are difficult and her style and Trump's style don't suit themselves to such a way of communicating.

When it comes down to solutions, things look a lot more complicated.

But she doesn't care. She will just tweet her soundbites and write her columns and the Daily Mail will publish them.

I've published this a few times. It's a response to the LGBT shooting in Orlando by a Republican politician. It's lovely and I think his words should be heard.

Part of it

Usually when tragedy occurs, we see our nation come together. I was saddened, yesterday to see far too many retreating to their over-worn policy corners and demagoguery. Let me be clear, there are no simple policy answers to this tragedy. Beware of anyone who tells you that they have the easy solution. It doesn’t exist.

And I can assure you this — that calling people idiots, communists, fascists or bigots on Facebook is not going to change any hearts or minds. Today we need fewer Republicans and fewer Democrats. Today we need more Americans.

But just because an easy solution doesn’t exist, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. The greatest generations in the history of the world were never innately great. They became great because of how they responded in the face of evil. Their humanity is measured by their response to hate and terror.

I truly believe that this is the defining issue of our generation. Can we be brave? Can we be strong? Can we be kind and, perhaps, even happy, in the face of atrocious acts of hate and terrorism? Do we find a way to unite? Or do these atrocities further corrode and divide our torn nation? Can we, the citizens of the great state of Utah, lead the nation with love in the face of adversity? Can WE become a greatest generation?

Skatingonthinice16

I don't know why he wouldn't address you. You mean spoke to you?
I've met many Muslim men from different countries and never had that issue.
It's a problem reported by women in relation to white men in western coubtries too. It's not a Muslim problem.

As for shaking hands, I've already explained. It's for both sexes. No touching. It's still more cultural than religious.

Do I think she holds a moral and ethical sway over many people in this country?
Do I think she is calling for violence?
No I don't.

It's customary to shake hands in the UK upon meeting someone. Any employer would be wise to fire someone who can't deal with this, or certainly relegate them to a non-customer facing role.

Are you serious?

Do I think she is calling for violence? No I don't.

Do you think her words are innocent and that don't influence people towards hate actions?

You don't have to call for violence to hold overall responsibility for violent actions.

Hate breeds hate, and hate breeds violence.

I thought the op posting in AIBU might want a counterweight to her position.

Clearly there's a pattern to posting here and i am in the wrong place so farewell.

Peace to all.

Multiculturalism is bad idea when you allow in people who still believe in the backward aspects of their cultures.

52% of uk muslims think homo sexuality should be illegal and 23% want sharia law.

Under Sharia:
Wives Can Be Beaten.
Females Enjoy Fewer Rights than Males.
Marriage and Sexual Intercourse with young girls is permissible.
Wives do not Share the Same Divorce Rights as Their Husbands.
Wives Should be Subservient to their Husbands.
Women are Deemed Lacking in Faith and Intelligence.

Lweji, why the shock at my post? Would you really want to employ a man who won't shake a woman's hand in a business setting? What makes you think this is OK?

I also grew up in Bradford - left 20 years ago after increasingly serious racist attacks that would not be taken seriously by police as I'm a white woman. Being spat at in the street, threatened with rape, called a white whore, having a brick put through my window with white cunts out written on a note attached to it. This was in Heaton. An Asian friend married to a white woman left Bradford because of the appalling racism their children experienced from members of the Asian community. Another friend was attacked by a gang in the city centre, bones broken and urinated on, for not wearing a headscarf. Again, refused to be treated as a racist attack.

Obviously not all are like this, but there are parts of our cities that have become ghettos, no go areas.

I can't believe the anti-Islam and anti-Muslim sentiments on this thread. The ignorance is shocking. @southall Under sharia, no such thing can be done.

Please remember, this attacker happened to be Muslim. He is one person out of over 2 million Muslims in the UK. Are you really going to blame Islam or Muslims for this?

Hate breeds hate, and hate breeds violence

So true. And people who suggest that people like her and others are playing their role in the whole issue with their reaction get criticised for 'attacking free speech'.

I can't believe the anti-Islam and anti-Muslim sentiments on this thread

I can..

@MuseumofCurry The majority of Muslims do shake hands with the opposite gender. Practicing Jews however don't shake the hand of the opposite gender. Would you not employ them too?

Stop Funding Hate seems to me to be the most concrete way of tackling cunts like Hopkins and her employers.

I'm Irish descent with a full on Irish name. The shit thrown at Muslims when something dreadful like this happens is the same shit thrown at Irish and Irish descent people living in the U.K. whenever the IRA committed acts of terror in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Still here, still despising terrorism, still contributing to our free and open democracy.

So true. And people who suggest that people like her and others are playing their role in the whole issue with their reaction get criticised for 'attacking free speech'.

You can suggest she's hateful all you like (I agree that she's dangerously oversimplified the issue), but would you honestly like to see views like hers censored?

I remember the Soho pub bombings, The LGBT community targeted by an extremist. I lived in London at the time.

Me too.
It was one Soho pub bombing, btw. The other two bombs targeted the black community and the Bangladeshi community.

Sorry, but when was Katie Hopkins a part of a legitimate right wing establishment?
She is a foul mouthed nasty person who became famous for having an affair while on a TV show and who has never been anything else but hateful. You're BU if you thought this is the moment when she jumped the shark. That happened a long time ago.

*Never said this before on MN or anywhere else but PollytheDolly

DFOD*

What's that? Before I respond.

I have worked with men and women who are Muslim (and Hindu and Jewish and Christian, and for all I know Jedi and wiccan). I almost never have to shake hands with anyone ever so can't comment on whether that was an issue. However, they were no different to any other colleagues and didn't have anything particularly in common with each other.

Boopsy - that is just not true, although the Daily Mail would probably like us to believe it. There is no simple solution but that doesn't mean there is no solution. Islam has been around for centuries whereas the sort of violence we are seeing now in the West is relatively recent. That alone should tell you that terrorism is not just a result of religion but of other external factors.

But the puritanical Salafi form of Islam is relatively new and has turned into political Islam (Islamism) and seems to be going in the opposite direction in the sense that puritanical ultra conservative Christianity peaked and then reformed because of the enlightenment, Islam seems to be going the other way.

How are ISIS or Islamists any different from the Nazi ideology? They are just as far right in my opinion, perhaps even more so.

You can suggest she's hateful all you like (I agree that she's dangerously oversimplified the issue), but would you honestly like to see views like hers censored?

Oversimplified? That's an understatement.

She shouldn't be censored. But neither should those who tell it like it is, that she's a dangerous hate breeding person.