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Katie Hopkins

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notanothernamechangebabes · 23/03/2017 07:42

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 23/03/2017 08:35

Things have gone too far onto the soft liberal left side, we even had Khan a few months ago saying terrorism was “part and parcel of living in a big city”

Err, that isn't quite what he said. Donald Trump Jnr might have been stupid enough to have misquoted him to score some sort of point, but I'm not sure we need to follow him blindly down that alley.

Edballsisoneniftydancer · 23/03/2017 08:35

I'm sorry Skating, but nothing you say shows any great difference between what is going on now and earlier atrocities. Not in effect, certainly, and not even in motivation. Will have to agree to differ on that one, but at least you have addressed it and not pretended earlier terrorism did not exist.

user838383 · 23/03/2017 08:36

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derxa · 23/03/2017 08:36

I thought KH's article was pathetic. One thing I agree with though. Tea lights and hearts don't really help. The bereaved may grieve as they wish. Whatever helps them. But everyone else?
Let's be strong, vigilant and steely.

Peregrina · 23/03/2017 08:37

The 'shock' of the brexit result is an example of the 'leftie liberal' bubble,

I don't think Cameron, Osborne, Nicky Morgan for just three to start with are either 'leftie' or 'liberal' - or only in so far as the Tory party is now extremely right wing.

Skatingonthinice16 · 23/03/2017 08:37

I'm not pretending earlier terrorism didn't exist but in what way does that help now?!
Why does saying 'oh but the Ira were as bad' make Isis any better? That is largely what seems to be implied if anyone suggests this is an Islamic issue. No it hasn't always been an Islamist issue. But right now it is.

Applebite · 23/03/2017 08:37

If you're going to bang on about Britain, t's kerb, not curb, you stupid fame hungry twat.

She's vile, but some of her points are fair, most are way off the mark. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day; even a blind squirrel will find the occasional nut.

egosumquisum1 · 23/03/2017 08:38

No it hasn't always been an Islamist issue. But right now it is

And what should be done about it?

So easy to say, much more difficult to do...

Applebite · 23/03/2017 08:41

I think the difference between other terrorist acts, say the monster who murdered Jo Cox, and the stuff that's been done in the name of Islam since 9/11 is that the latter type of terrorist actively wants to kill as many civilians as possible. Hence advice to drive cars into crowds etc.

One of the (many millions of) things I will never understand about the ISIS fanboys claiming that this is brilliant and it's just revenge for the attacks on Syria is: ISIS have killed and are killing more Muslims than anyone else. So why is that OK, but Western civilians who were probably against the sodding bombing in the first place must be punished because of a decision taken by governments they didn't even vote for?

Edballsisoneniftydancer · 23/03/2017 08:41

That is largely what seems to be implied if anyone suggests this is an Islamic issue. No it hasn't always been an Islamist issue. But right now it is.

Indeed it is but acting as though terrorism is necessarily tied up with Islamism and vice versa (not you but KH and others) is disingenuous at best and dangerous at worst.

PollytheDolly · 23/03/2017 08:41

Love her or hate her.

She's right.

Edballsisoneniftydancer · 23/03/2017 08:44

Sorry when I said indeed it is (an Islamist issue) I am making a bit of an assumption (and have been throughout) Has this been established as incontrovertible fact?

Mea maxima culpa!!

Lweji · 23/03/2017 08:44

The 'shock' of the brexit result is an example of the 'leftie liberal' bubble, along with the failure of pundits and political polls to take an accurate political temperature of the uk.*

Hmmm
It wasn't an overwhelming result and it seems many Remainers didn't vote because they never realised Brexit could win.
These referenda should be compulsory or not done.

Lweji · 23/03/2017 08:45

Love her or hate her. She's right.

About what, exactly? Everything?

Edballsisoneniftydancer · 23/03/2017 08:46

Never said this before on MN or anywhere else but PollytheDolly

DFOD

or slightly more politely, are you KH? Let's face it she's bound to be on here somewhere. Could even be the OP (many apologies Babes)...I doubt it but let's face it, click bait is click bait!!

Again, apologies OP...I am sure you are kosher, just wanted to make a point!

user1484578224 · 23/03/2017 08:47

I started a thread on this. Charlie your comments are interesting.

The woman and her views are awful.
Its all very well saying this has to stop......very few people would be calling for more of it.
Does she have any constructive ideas at all?

Thousands and thousands of people will be waking up to her writing and agreeing with every word, sadly.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 23/03/2017 08:50

I did click the link and as you ask the question, yes I agree Katie Hopkins offers no answers here. The article is well written however, and conveys her opinion. I think it's wrong to use the word extremism though as it contains no call for violence.

She's wrong and she's right. Multiculturalism sometimes works, I have friends of different faiths and we agree to disagree, I don't force my agnostic beliefs on them and vice-versa. The problem arises when religious texts are taken literally and acts of violence are carried out in the belief that one religion is superior to all others and non-believers must die.

If you are born to a religion or adopt it, then the natural belief is that you are right, others are wrong, and you are better than them because of it (otherwise you'd believe whatever they do instead, and I do include agnostism along with all other belief systems). It's simple fact. You can address it by treating everybody equally, regardless of whatever they believe. That's the answer.

Yes, Katie Hopkins clearly has an issue with Sadiq Khan, I don't read the Fail or her writings so don't know the background. On the whole I'm a bit of a fan of Sadiq, however, I read an article where he annoyed me. I think it was the Evening Standard and he was quoted as saying he had no issues with his daughters marrying whoever they wanted (regardless of faith) as long as they were respectful of her (his) faith. Well, that's not his call. He has no say in what his adult daughters do or don't do and particularly he has no say in what his future son-in-law thinks or doesn't think, it's not his choice to make. In a civilised society, religion should be open to debate, open to question, all religions, all beliefs (atheism etc).

Equality is pretty much the answer to everything.

egosumquisum1 · 23/03/2017 08:50

We had another attack inspired by extremism last year. Jo Cox, murdered by someone inspired by far right extremism.

How do you fight extremism and people who are influenced by it and who act on it?

allegretto · 23/03/2017 08:51

These people have no cause there will be no end to it as they will not stop until everyone is like them, they kill just because people do not believe in their religion and way of life.

Boopsy - that is just not true, although the Daily Mail would probably like us to believe it. There is no simple solution but that doesn't mean there is no solution. Islam has been around for centuries whereas the sort of violence we are seeing now in the West is relatively recent. That alone should tell you that terrorism is not just a result of religion but of other external factors.

KidLorneRoll · 23/03/2017 08:53

More empty, attention seeking shite. She is part of the problem, the massive cuntweasel she is.

EastMidsMummy · 23/03/2017 08:54

Ahem, not just London and Scotland that voted Remain. I don't know why people have such troubling remembering the long list of other major cities that voted Remain. It's very annoying

Major remain cities: Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Leeds.
Smaller remain cities: Oxford, Cambridge, Brighton, Exeter, Leicester... one or two more, perhaps

Unfortunately, people can't remember a long list because there isn't one.

merrymouse · 23/03/2017 08:54

Anybody who thinks there is something special about Islam that makes Islamic atrocities worse than others has a very sketchy knowledge of history.

The people who are most likely to be victims of organisations like ISIS are other Muslims.

The biggist threat to extremists of all kinds is that there is no cause, people can live peacefully together, democracy works and that all their personal feelings of inadequacy and anger can't be blamed on others.

Unfortunately, Katie Hopkins gets paid to make extremists happy.

user1484578224 · 23/03/2017 08:54

so which bits are right?

Multiculturalism has failed?

All Muslims are cockroaches?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/03/2017 08:56

Unfortunately, people can't remember a long list because there isn't one.

Quite frankly not sure what the way people voted has anything to do with this.

EastMidsMummy · 23/03/2017 08:57

These people have no cause there will be no end to it as they will not stop until everyone is like them, they kill just because people do not believe in their religion and way of life.

That's not Isis, that's the cybermen...

Although Isis are a hugely dangerous death cult, they are far from unstoppable. Most of the Islamic world despises them and are fighting them. They're being pushed back militarily. Ultimately, they can only fail.

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