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I am Spartacus

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disfasia · 21/03/2017 22:15

I am posting this here since "Am I being unreasonable?" is only a phrase that a female would ask herself. Women are socialised to concede to men, to institutional pressures, and to ask "Am I being unreasonable?" I am posting here because I know I am not. And this is my protest to MNHQ for censoring women's language, for telling us that the only way to refer to a man who lays claim to be a woman is to call him "she", to call him a "woman." But he is not a woman.

In the past ten days, three different transwomen have been sentenced to prison or arrested for rape or murder of women. Just today a rapist of two children was transferred to a female prison. These are men who commit these crimes and the whitewashing of history and the pressuring of women by MNHQ to say "she", deleting comments when we respectfully disagree and point out scientific evidence, as clear in science as the earth's rotation around the sun. And I am sick of it.

I am sick of the harassment of women who say, "No" to male violence. And make no mistake MNHQ, what you are doing to women on this matter is pure unadulterated violence. You worry more about the feelings of males than women who have, statistically speaking, been victimised by male violence.

If you expect women to come to this website and generate movement for you, you need to understand that in a week where Ian Huntley wants to become a woman, where Jessica Winfield (AKA Martin Ponting) another rapist is housed with women, where Texas is facing a lawsuit from three different prisoners who have been subjected to rape at the hands of another trans prisoner, and the recent sentencing of Kayleigh Woods for the murder of Bethany Hill, her really need to understand that women know the difference between a man and a woman. No, we don't need men telling us to address them as a woman. Nor should MNHQ bei so inclined. This is an open-debate and trans "identity" is up for debate because it is a feeling, not a reality. You cannot oblige women to see the world in a delusory way simply because that individual is delusional or confirmed in his "belief."

MN needs to be a space where women are free to interact honestly, where biology is not written off as unimportant. Rape is very much connected to the biology of males. MNHQ needs to allow for women to set their own boundaries in their own language. We should not be coerced or pressured in any way to goose step with delusional ideologies where the body is irrelevant. This is Mumsnet which exists precisely because the body IS relevant.

This is a revolution.

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itsmine · 22/03/2017 07:50

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 07:50

If MNHQ won't 'give in' and allow mis-gendering and it's bothering you this much, why don't you leave and find another forum where you can get away with it?

Exactly. No one is forcing people to post.

Accusing MNHQ of 'unadulterated violence' well wow.

Universitychallenging · 22/03/2017 07:50

X posts - I type too slowly!

NatashaRomanov · 22/03/2017 07:50

I am Spartans.
I am a woman.
Men cannot become women. Women cannot become men. That is that.

exWifebeginsat40 · 22/03/2017 07:52

oh sweet jesus ANOTHER hate thread?

this spartacus bollocks is risible. fortunately, announcing it is a
good way of signalling which posters to avoid.

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 07:54

There is another word - transwoman.

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 07:55

Yes i wonder that. I've heard reddit may have more like minded people

Indeed. Probably on there right now.

CoteDAzur · 22/03/2017 07:55

I'm still Spartacus.

Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. We have two sexes: Male (the ones who can make sperm) and Female (the ones who can make eggs). Intersex is a disorder. Trans is not intersex. A man isn't a woman and can't become a woman because he wants to, just like I can't become a supermodel or a billionaire astronaut with superpowers because I want to.

I don't "feel like" a woman. I am a woman with XX cells, who has lived through the biological and social crap that all women everywhere in the world deal with.

And am not "cis" - I have nothing to do with gender crap. It is hugely offensive to assume that we all love glittery pink shit, tottering on heels, gossiping, babies, baking, that we aren't good at debate, politics, of mathematics - in other words, that we are OK with the gender expectations and prejudices because we are rational and so don't think we are men.

itsmine · 22/03/2017 07:56

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CaoNiMartacus · 22/03/2017 07:57

I will never understand why it is considered "hate" to state a biological fact.

Universitychallenging · 22/03/2017 07:58

Why is it "pure unadulterated violence" to be asked to conform to the rules of this particular site ?

WateryTart · 22/03/2017 07:59

oh sweet jesus ANOTHER hate thread?

Where's the hate?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 08:01

Where's the hate?

Well I'm sure stating MNHQ is commuting 'unadulterated violence' is one instance.

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 08:01

Was is this thread on hen nights, weddings and trans people started yesterday by a recent poster that had lots of deletions that inspired this new thread?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2883786-wedding-hen-do-transgender?pg=1

itsmine · 22/03/2017 08:01

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egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 08:01

Where's the hate

Look at this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2883786-wedding-hen-do-transgender?pg=1

Lots of deletions.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 08:02

Also I see the OP lit the touch paper and left.....

CoteDAzur · 22/03/2017 08:04

Explain what you understand of the word "bigot", please.

Is someone who looks at a 50-year old woman and says "You are a woman, not a girl" a bigot who is ageist perhaps? No.

Is someone who looks at a lily-white English woman and says "You are not black" a bigot? No, obviously not.

What is it about men that when they say they want to be women, we must say that they are women or we are "bigots"?

ErrolTheDragon · 22/03/2017 08:07

And make no mistake MNHQ, what you are doing to women on this matter is pure unadulterated violence.

I hope that's meant to be a parody of the ridiculous hyperbole found on TRA-friendly websites, because yeah, that's ridiculous hyperbole.

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 08:08

What's strange though is that there are loads of threads on MN especially in FWR where transwomen are called men and the word 'he' is used.

So what is MN doing wrong?

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 08:09

And they aren't deleted.

Transwomen are called 'he' and 'male' on MN.

itsmine · 22/03/2017 08:10

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CoteDAzur · 22/03/2017 08:10

Where's the hate
Look at this thread. Lots of deletions.

You know as well as everyone else that most of those were deleted because they called the male transwoman cousin "he". Not because they showed hate.

Hence this thread and the reason why OP says this is my protest to MNHQ for censoring women's language, for telling us that the only way to refer to a man who lays claim to be a woman is to call him "she", to call him a "woman." But he is not a woman

WateryTart · 22/03/2017 08:12

I meant where is the hate on this thread.

Plus disliking something isn't the same as hate. Disagreeing with how some people perceive an issue isn't hate. I've seen very little hate on MN. I see people who disagree with using preferred pronouns get their posts deleted. That doesn't mean they hate transwomen, just that they don't agree with the use of the pronoun.

Not wanting people with penises in women only spaces isn't hate. It's self preservation.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 08:12

You know as well as everyone else that most of those were deleted because they called the male transwoman cousin "he". Not because they showed hate.

Actually a fair number were deleted because of talk of fetish and a sexuality thrill.