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I am Spartacus

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disfasia · 21/03/2017 22:15

I am posting this here since "Am I being unreasonable?" is only a phrase that a female would ask herself. Women are socialised to concede to men, to institutional pressures, and to ask "Am I being unreasonable?" I am posting here because I know I am not. And this is my protest to MNHQ for censoring women's language, for telling us that the only way to refer to a man who lays claim to be a woman is to call him "she", to call him a "woman." But he is not a woman.

In the past ten days, three different transwomen have been sentenced to prison or arrested for rape or murder of women. Just today a rapist of two children was transferred to a female prison. These are men who commit these crimes and the whitewashing of history and the pressuring of women by MNHQ to say "she", deleting comments when we respectfully disagree and point out scientific evidence, as clear in science as the earth's rotation around the sun. And I am sick of it.

I am sick of the harassment of women who say, "No" to male violence. And make no mistake MNHQ, what you are doing to women on this matter is pure unadulterated violence. You worry more about the feelings of males than women who have, statistically speaking, been victimised by male violence.

If you expect women to come to this website and generate movement for you, you need to understand that in a week where Ian Huntley wants to become a woman, where Jessica Winfield (AKA Martin Ponting) another rapist is housed with women, where Texas is facing a lawsuit from three different prisoners who have been subjected to rape at the hands of another trans prisoner, and the recent sentencing of Kayleigh Woods for the murder of Bethany Hill, her really need to understand that women know the difference between a man and a woman. No, we don't need men telling us to address them as a woman. Nor should MNHQ bei so inclined. This is an open-debate and trans "identity" is up for debate because it is a feeling, not a reality. You cannot oblige women to see the world in a delusory way simply because that individual is delusional or confirmed in his "belief."

MN needs to be a space where women are free to interact honestly, where biology is not written off as unimportant. Rape is very much connected to the biology of males. MNHQ needs to allow for women to set their own boundaries in their own language. We should not be coerced or pressured in any way to goose step with delusional ideologies where the body is irrelevant. This is Mumsnet which exists precisely because the body IS relevant.

This is a revolution.

OP posts:
itsmine · 22/03/2017 08:15

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

WateryTart · 22/03/2017 08:15

Thanks for explaining that, Piglet. Not good for people to be given the wrong impression.

MadgeMak · 22/03/2017 08:15

I am Spartacus.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 08:17

I meant where is the hate on this thread.

As I have said, there is a fair amount of hate towards MNHQ in the OP who hasn't posted since

Universitychallenging · 22/03/2017 08:18

Like it or nit, it is up to MNHQ to set the bar for deletions on this subject at whatever level they choose.

If one of those things that isn't permitted is misgendering then don't misgender. That's the rules. HQ don't allow all sorts of things under talk guidelines. It's their site. They make the rules.

(And I agree that a fair whack of the deleted posts were about transwomen being fetishists and getting sexual thrills)

Universitychallenging · 22/03/2017 08:19

*not

OnionKnight · 22/03/2017 08:20

That hen night thread pissed me off, I posted a sarcastic comment aimed at the transphobes and I was rounded on because I have a dick.

Well excuse me for not being a fucking bigot like some of you, deliberate misgendering and posting about fetishes with no proof etc is fucking offensive.

Universitychallenging · 22/03/2017 08:23

onion the posts aimed at you on that thread were horrible.

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 08:25

You know as well as everyone else that most of those were deleted because they called the male transwoman cousin "he". Not because they showed hate

Hmm

MNHQ seems to think that deliberately calling a transwoman who the op described as 'she' 'the pronoun 'he' is against talk guidelines.

CoteDAzur · 22/03/2017 08:26

"deleted because of talk of fetish and a sexuality thrill."

Autogynephilia? It is not hate speech but an actual thing for many late transitioners, apparently. Check out Reddit's trans subs where men regularly say "I'm turned on by the thought of having breasts / being in a skirt / having a vagina" (and are immediately told "Oh that's perfectly normal, cis girls do the same, that just means you're actually a woman inside" Hmm).

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 08:27

I think the 'spartacus' gang get confused when they see deleted posts they proclaim it's because so someone said he is stead of she, when they conveniently ignore the bit where the poster said some thing vile as well

It's also interesting that the day after a controversial thread with lots of deletions, someone posts a very long OP about MNHQ and being Spartacus. It happened only last week.

CoteDAzur · 22/03/2017 08:28

"MNHQ seems to think that deliberately calling a transwoman who the op described as 'she' 'the pronoun 'he' is against talk guidelines."

Yes, and that's why many of those posts were deleted, not because they contained "hate" as was your claim.

Universitychallenging · 22/03/2017 08:28

There is absolutely no evidence that the specific transwoman referred to by the op has any kind of sexual fetishism or autogynephilia.

helpimitchy · 22/03/2017 08:29

'Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear'

George Orwell

Womens' freedoms are being thrown under the Thoughtcrime bus.

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 08:30

Yes, and that's why many of those posts were deleted, not because they contained "hate" as was your claim

When someone deliberately calls someone 'he' or 'she' when the op referrred to them as 'she', other people would ask themselves what that person think of trans people.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 08:31

Yes, and that's why many of those posts were deleted, not because they contained "hate" as was your claim.

Well there may have to be an element of agreeing to disagree then because there are a number of us that see it differently.

TheFirstMrsDV · 22/03/2017 08:33

I have been told I am to privileged to understand why I must accept the title 'cis' this morning.
Its not even nine o'clock yet.
This was by a woman.

Is this the latest version of 'surrendered wives' for women who don't want to own up to it?

'Tell me what to call myself, tell me where my place is'. I don't think the fetish thing is confined to the trans part of the relationship Hmm

BeyondUser24601 · 22/03/2017 08:33

Don't forget the (paraphrased) quote about looking to who you cannot criticise to see who is in charge

ohidontknowwhattochoose · 22/03/2017 08:34

I, too, am Spartacus. You can never make me call a person with a penis anything other than a man. I am a woman. I am Spartacus

THIS completely!

QueenLaBeefah · 22/03/2017 08:36

I'm Spartacus.

Universitychallenging · 22/03/2017 08:36

Well, if you insist on calling a person with a penis a man on here when they have asked to be called by a female pronoun then you're going to get deleted because MNHQ have said that deliberate misgendering will be deleted.

This is HQ site. They make the rules.

BeyondUser24601 · 22/03/2017 08:36

I'm your fellow cis-rejector, mrsd Wink

CoteDAzur · 22/03/2017 08:38

"When someone deliberately calls someone 'he' or 'she' when the op referrred to them as 'she', other people would ask themselves what that person think of trans people."

So you now know what everyone thinks & asks themselves? Hmm

Or possibly, people might think that calling a male 'he' is a perfectly valid choice. Or they might think that person is a bit rude but there is something called 'freedom of speech' and they should be allowed to say what they think. Especially when it is about calling a male in a male body with male genitalia "he".

Personally, I prefer not to pass judgement on what lots of people would ask themselves.

CoteDAzur · 22/03/2017 08:39

Piglet - "agreeing to disagree then because there are a number of us that see it differently."

Tell us how you see it, then.

How do you define "hate"?

egosumquisum1 · 22/03/2017 08:40

MNHQ seem to be doing a pretty good job on the trans debates. They are far more open than even a few years ago. Is there anything that it could be doing better?