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I am Spartacus

310 replies

disfasia · 21/03/2017 22:15

I am posting this here since "Am I being unreasonable?" is only a phrase that a female would ask herself. Women are socialised to concede to men, to institutional pressures, and to ask "Am I being unreasonable?" I am posting here because I know I am not. And this is my protest to MNHQ for censoring women's language, for telling us that the only way to refer to a man who lays claim to be a woman is to call him "she", to call him a "woman." But he is not a woman.

In the past ten days, three different transwomen have been sentenced to prison or arrested for rape or murder of women. Just today a rapist of two children was transferred to a female prison. These are men who commit these crimes and the whitewashing of history and the pressuring of women by MNHQ to say "she", deleting comments when we respectfully disagree and point out scientific evidence, as clear in science as the earth's rotation around the sun. And I am sick of it.

I am sick of the harassment of women who say, "No" to male violence. And make no mistake MNHQ, what you are doing to women on this matter is pure unadulterated violence. You worry more about the feelings of males than women who have, statistically speaking, been victimised by male violence.

If you expect women to come to this website and generate movement for you, you need to understand that in a week where Ian Huntley wants to become a woman, where Jessica Winfield (AKA Martin Ponting) another rapist is housed with women, where Texas is facing a lawsuit from three different prisoners who have been subjected to rape at the hands of another trans prisoner, and the recent sentencing of Kayleigh Woods for the murder of Bethany Hill, her really need to understand that women know the difference between a man and a woman. No, we don't need men telling us to address them as a woman. Nor should MNHQ bei so inclined. This is an open-debate and trans "identity" is up for debate because it is a feeling, not a reality. You cannot oblige women to see the world in a delusory way simply because that individual is delusional or confirmed in his "belief."

MN needs to be a space where women are free to interact honestly, where biology is not written off as unimportant. Rape is very much connected to the biology of males. MNHQ needs to allow for women to set their own boundaries in their own language. We should not be coerced or pressured in any way to goose step with delusional ideologies where the body is irrelevant. This is Mumsnet which exists precisely because the body IS relevant.

This is a revolution.

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MercyMyJewels · 22/03/2017 21:15

Well it is the biggest threat to women's rights for a century, so I would hope and expect that a women's site would take it seriously.

itsmine · 22/03/2017 21:22

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

aishakhandisha · 22/03/2017 21:54

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ - a previously banned poster (and sockpuppeting to boot). Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 21:56

Kicking members off for what comments I have seen is pretty lame

Not your site not your call.

Other posters disagree with you.

sticklebrix · 22/03/2017 21:56

I think that MN is doing a great job, TBH. In the current climate it's risky for them to allow this debate to take place here at all.

Far more powerful organisations (no offence MN) have refused to allow even mild dissent from the gender unquestioning orthodoxy. Eg BBC/Jenni Murray.

ligersaremyfavouriteanimal · 22/03/2017 21:56

I'm still sparticus Smile

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 21:57

aishakhandisha interesting first post.

DioneTheDiabolist · 22/03/2017 21:57

Did you just join to write that post aishakhandisha?

DioneTheDiabolist · 22/03/2017 21:58

X post Piglet.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/03/2017 21:59
Grin
RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 22/03/2017 22:00

This is getting weird

Is it the same poster coming back each time

AlpacaLypse · 22/03/2017 22:03

I'm still Spartacus.

GinSwigmore · 22/03/2017 22:17

I'm Sportacus.
m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=oXTjaYTC37Q
Ah fuck it, I admit it, I'm actually Craig Revel Horwood lookalikey Robbie "who wants a badge for ignoring the girl with the pink hair and the bad attitude?" Rotten.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/03/2017 08:37

MNHQ seem to be doing a good job and I can't really think of a mainstream forum where such debate happens. The debate is skewed slightly by the absence of many trans voices but MN has done a pretty good job moderating and I should imagine it takes a lot of their time and resources

Except for many of us debate isn't the issue. Having to thrash out the same old issues with TRAs and the like is just exhausting. We come here to discuss strategy and to offer support and advice because we know what we think.

egosumquisum1 · 23/03/2017 08:44

We come here to discuss strategy and to offer support and advice because we know what we think

Except for many of us debate isn't the issue

Having to thrash out the same old issues with TRAs and the like is just exhausting

By thrash out, you mean debate your views?
MN is a place to express views - and to have debates. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a 'safe place' to discuss strategy and support.

user838383 · 23/03/2017 08:57

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/03/2017 09:00

Then you need to check the 'about' section which specidically references "pooling knowledge, advice and support". Debate is not mentioned.

It's just so fucking dull. Every time something affects women we have to debate it - and usually with fucking men. I actually don't care that much about what people born with penises think about trans as the issue affects women's identity and safety I really don't.

boodlyboo · 23/03/2017 09:16

boobsy YY
I am Spartacus

Ev1lEdna · 23/03/2017 09:46

Kate - I'm one of the (I think many) people who think MNHQ are generally doing a pretty good job of allowing space for discussion and - being human, and sometimes having to respond quickly to a fast-moving thread - occasionally making a bad call. I don't envy any of you the task, and I hope people generally agree personal abuse of HQ staff is no more tolerable than of any other poster.

I agree and I am glad this debate can be had here. It has opened my eyes. The feminism chat board is a haven.

scottishdiem · 23/03/2017 15:38

I am not a Spartacus who believes that MNHQ is violent towards women. (Or that trans wearing make-up is women-facing and to be condemned as black-facing is.) MN is a valuable space but it has its rules. Complaining about the rules is pointless and people should jog on if that is their issue.

In fact I shall say I am Spartacus (KateMumsnet (MNHQ) version)!

ExitPursuedByUser54321 · 23/03/2017 21:03

My lips have been sealed.

GinSwigmore · 23/03/2017 22:28

^ So you said *exit

ExitPursuedByUser54321 · 23/03/2017 22:32

Your point being?

GinSwigmore · 23/03/2017 22:33

m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=rqQT3oKA3v8

I do miss the 80s though.

GinSwigmore · 23/03/2017 22:36

My point being is that although you claim you are being silenced due to having been given a warning(?) you are completely free to claim you are Spartacus and have done so on the first page of this thread albeit his a dig at MNHQ when your warning was for having breached guidelines.