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To think my friends have behaved terribly?

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NC543212345 · 20/03/2017 13:02

NC for this, will try and keep it vague.

Basically I don't feel like I can be around our 'friends' anymore after the way they have behaved but dh thinks I am unreasonable.
They adopted 2 girls a year ago, it took a lot of time and effort to get through the adoption process but they finally got their wish and got these 2 gorgeous girls.
One of the girls struggled to settle and would hit out and have temper tantrums. Very much to be expected imo as she is still very young.
'Friends' have decided that actually they can't continue living like this and have decided the girls aren't the right fit for them!

I'm probably taking it too personally but I just can not believe they are giving in so easily and now these girls have to go through more turmoil, deal with more rejection and start all over again. I am furious with them and don't think I can ever look them in the eye again. Dh thinks we shouldn't judge but I don't think I can help it. Are you even able to just give them back?

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deckoff · 21/03/2017 08:19

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20nil · 21/03/2017 08:23

Some of you really need to STFU. You have NO idea what some adoptive families go through, none! My best friend managed to hang in with her two. She is heroic but also had a lot of help from family and enough money for private therapy. That's not usual. Most families struggle on without help and are blamed for issues they did not cause and which are not solved with love and routines.

Love and solidarity to all adoptive and foster parents out there. I hope all of you find at least some support in your lives and that you don't have 'friends' like the OP.

DixieNormas · 21/03/2017 08:23

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Bostoncremecrazy · 21/03/2017 08:52

Be fair navy. That poster rtwt, came back and said she was a twit. No need to berate her any futher.

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Kewcumber · 21/03/2017 09:56

I must add that I think the point about no pregnancy hormones making it harder to bond is a fair one (it was allying it with how some adopters just aren't prepared for parenthood which I suspect got peoples backs up - like birth parents get extensive parenting classes before getting pregnant!)

I'm not sure if you're still reading OP but I was "lucky" to adopt a very small child/baby who was very very premature so it was like adopting a 5 month old. He really wasn't capable of much (couldn't sit up at 11 months) except ignoring me. It took weeks to bribe him into even making eye contact, I may as well not have been there. He would only sit on my lap as long as he was facing away. I had nearly 2 months of visiting him daily for about 4 hours a day before he came home with me. IN the UK you get 1 week (possibly 2) of visiting leading up to the child/children moving in.

I (and you when you gave birth) were dealing with a child which stayed where they were put and didn't talk, shout, destroy anything - and only one of them and in my case without the benefit of hormones.

Over time DS and I bonded and at some mysterious point in the first six months I fell headlong in love with him and of course as the cliche goes I would die for him. To be honest, there are any number of people I'd die for if push came to shove but he is the only person I would kill for. People hurting my baby (he's 11 now!) bring me to a murderous rage and if anyone seriously harmed him I can only imagine what I'd be capable of.

I felt this way about him long before any challenges came to light,because there was time and space for us. I think the same is true for many parents of children with additional needs, their difference is not so obvious sometimes when they're very tiny and as they grow your parenting grows with them and adapts to them (which is why I was a bit scathing earlier of the person who suggested things would be better if we took advice from birth parents).

Ds is a joy and his challenges are manageable and overcomeable and I have still been warned that the teenage years might be a whole new wave of challenging.

Bigmac said upthread "One of the MANY positive things about being adopted has meant, for us personally, we are less judgemental."

That resonated with me so much. It is so true. Someone asked me after adopting 3 years after the starting the process (and lets not bother counting the failed attempted at a pregnancy before that!) "How is being a mother different to what you were expecting?"

"I'm NOTHING like as good a parent as I was expecting to be"

Adoptive parents aren;t a different species to other parents, we are the same flawed collection of people just trying to do our best by our children. We are not all perfect, indeed some of us are outright inadequate. But in my experience birth parents who cannot cope with their children when they have additional needs are given help and encouragement and support if they are trying/have tried their best whereas adopters are generally judged by people who haven't walked in their shoes as an outrage.

I always tried to remember that these children have been failed firstly and primarily by their birth parents (possibly for understandable reasons), then who knows after that foster carers aren't always great (one set of siblings I know were abused by their foster carers), multiple foster carers, social services - who knows. Their adoptive parents are the first people to say - we will do this, we can do this, permanently, we can take on the failures of these people and make it as right as possible. They give up work and social contact and put up with people judging their parenting and their children's behaviour. They invested themselves for the hope of a future which is now gone. There are no happy ending for anyone if this adoption disrupts.

I can't imagine the depths of their despair at having failed at this unless they are unfeeling monsters. And whilst I agree that not all adoptive parents are up to the unequal task that society expects of them, you'd have to be an oscar winning actor to get through the adoption process without someone spotting that you're a sociopath, so I can only assume they're not.

ShoutOutToMyEx · 21/03/2017 11:17

As many as one in three adoptions break down, for a variety of complex reasons. It is vastly painful for everyone involved.

I would guess this isn't how they envisaged it would work out either. The adoption process is no walk in the park.

You have no idea what went on behind closed doors. Your friends need support now more than ever.

ShoutOutToMyEx · 21/03/2017 11:26

Ashamed to say I didn't RTFT, I was moved to post almost straight away. Very glad so many people have expressed the same sentiment better than I did. Heartening to see some empathy and understanding out there.

GahBuggerit · 21/03/2017 12:17

Urgh, people using the term "giving up" and posting little shitty blue sad smiley faces

Shove the blue sad faces up your arses please, or better still, just let your arse do the talking as I'm sure it would have more insightful things to say.

Flowers x infinity to all you wonderful adopters and foster carers out there, every single bastarding lovely one of you, just even having the emotional availability of being able to consider opening your home and hearts.....something I know I wouldnt be strong enough to do.

Keeks · 21/03/2017 12:19

Kewcumber - you have just become the main reason I love Mumsnet so much, beautifully put x

Laiste · 21/03/2017 14:46

ing at the dog references. From posters who have RTFT what's more! ShockConfusedHmm

Hard to know weather to laugh or cry. How can anyone read the harrowing accounts being given here of the sort of things which cause a placement to break down, and read the information in the links on how abuse damages a child, and liken it all to coping with an awkward bloody pet?!? Offensive.

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Laiste · 21/03/2017 15:17

deck a few months ago on here someone on a thread about long term TTC said they'd had someone say they knew how just it felt as they'd struggled sooo hard to find a decent breeder for the specific dog they wanted Grin An attempt at empathy's better than none i guess ...

Laiste · 21/03/2017 15:19

Flowers for the MC by the way x

And Flowers and such respect for all the adopters here.

user1484578224 · 21/03/2017 17:04

I have read this with great interest and my respect to those who adopt is massive.

Sauvignonismysaviour · 21/03/2017 17:16

This isn't a subject that I've ever had to think about but I have RTFT and really feel that I have learnt a lot from some amazing posters. To anyone who has adopted, you have my utmost and sincere respect. I find step-parenting challenging at times but that pales in comparison to some of the situations you have faced.

I don't think I ever would have thought anything other than positive and respectful thoughts toward adoptive parents, given that they are stepping in where the biological parents have failed. And to think of the damage many of these children have been through, you are a special person to do this.

OP. I think you should return to the thread and tell us what you think now?

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 21/03/2017 18:06

I have nothing but absolute respect and sympathy for those who adopt.
I have seen in my direct family how hard the process can be and just how badly it can go wrong. In fact, I can honestly say that I have known for a long time that I would just not be up to it. Those who do it deserve our support and love, not misplaced judgement and condemnation.

bigmac4me · 21/03/2017 18:41

It has been over 25 years since we first adopted. Previous posts of mine will tell you more details. Incredible highs of normality: lows that there are no words for when sheer survival have been an achievement. A placement breakdown that nearly destroyed us all and means our future life is different to how we had hoped it would be.

Being an adoptive parent, and latterly a foster parent has always made us the weird ones at the school gate - not that many knew we were, just knew that our children were "different". We never got invited anywhere as a family, but no matter we always had each other. That was truly all we ever wanted. But sometimes it's been very lonely, especially since the breakdown. Though now my closest friends are those very children, now adult, two of them with children of their own, the other who is disabled and gives me the blessing of caring for him. I am thankful, and have a closeness with those children who have never wanted to search for their birth families and never once, not even during the worst of the teenage years shouted "you're not my real parents". And since coming through and weathering the more recent storm together has made us closer still. Their love and friendship are my reward, and the cherry on the cake my amazing grandchildren that I worship and adore. and see almost every day. But, family aside it has been very lonely.

Over the last few days this thread has effected me deeply. The ignorance and thoughtlessness of some posters so reminisant of what we have faced over the past quarter of a century.

But then I read the posts from others who now understand how it can be. Lovely, kind, beautiful posts saying such special things. You have made such a difference. Thank you so much everyone who has tried to understand, especially those admitting they were wrong, and for the kind wishes.

It's been a blessing after all.

I wish the OP would come back and give us her thoughts now.

Bostoncremecrazy · 21/03/2017 18:51

Bigmac - I have been an adoptive parent for 9 years, overwhelmingly it is the utter loneliness that affects me more than anything else. There is nothing to compare it to.
I hope you have found peace through your journey.

Cartman03 · 22/03/2017 10:15

Such a shame that The Times ran a huge piece many years ago involving families talking about adoption breakdown and how their families were almost destroyed by their adoptive kids. Yet nothing has changed. The thrust of the whole piece was the failings and downright dishonesty of SS - concealing or underplaying pasts that involved extreme sexual abuse and violence that put the adoptive families and other children at huge personal risk. Families were given no support and didn't know what support was needed as many weren't aware of their adoptive dc's past life.

One family disclosed how their pets were killed and their youngest DD sexually assaulted by their adoptive DS before they realised they could not go on.

This doesn't help anyone on here and my God there have been some heartbreaking and also very uplifting posts, but there needs to be a real rethink of adoption of very traumatised kids.

SS know firsthand why they are being taken from birth families so surely counselling and therapy should start straight away with appropriate professionals? Then maybe a slightly less La La Land view of whether those kids can safely be placed in anyone's home or would be better in a care home with supportive therapy (and I feel shit even suggesting that). Maybe I'm being naive but surely that would result in less disrupted adoptions and new families could start out with an understanding of the issues their DC are facing and carry on with any programme of therapy.

Pipedreams I know........

B1rdonawire · 22/03/2017 10:16

Hugs to BigMac and Boston - I have only been at this game for just over 3 years but I HEAR YOU about the loneliness. Either the silence of old friends disappearing, or perhaps worse, the loneliness of people who quite clearly don't get it and refuse to get it because "all kids do that" or "all parenting is hard" is a more comfortable position for them to take. My adopted DD is phenomenal, easily the most wonderful fantastic thing in my life. But parenting her trauma is also hands-down the biggest challenge I've ever faced and every day it takes every emotional resource I have...and then a bit more.

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