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To think my friends have behaved terribly?

322 replies

NC543212345 · 20/03/2017 13:02

NC for this, will try and keep it vague.

Basically I don't feel like I can be around our 'friends' anymore after the way they have behaved but dh thinks I am unreasonable.
They adopted 2 girls a year ago, it took a lot of time and effort to get through the adoption process but they finally got their wish and got these 2 gorgeous girls.
One of the girls struggled to settle and would hit out and have temper tantrums. Very much to be expected imo as she is still very young.
'Friends' have decided that actually they can't continue living like this and have decided the girls aren't the right fit for them!

I'm probably taking it too personally but I just can not believe they are giving in so easily and now these girls have to go through more turmoil, deal with more rejection and start all over again. I am furious with them and don't think I can ever look them in the eye again. Dh thinks we shouldn't judge but I don't think I can help it. Are you even able to just give them back?

OP posts:
whirlygirly · 20/03/2017 20:51

Moved to tears by some of the posts on here.

It's terrifying how judgemental people can be. None of us know anything of the family in the op. All I can say with certainty is that it sounds like a deeply sad situation all round.

moogletea · 20/03/2017 20:52

Sons of the opinions on here are unbelievable

I have adopted a dog and a child. There the similarities end.

To those making the offensive comments about adoptive parents sending children back like we were just getting a refund at the shop - what a load of absolute balls

You should try and see just how hard this can be. Picking up the pieces and trying to mend the damage that was done BEFORE we were involved.

How about giving us some respect and support rather than critiquing situations you know nothing about

OnTheUp13 · 20/03/2017 20:53

I've just RTFT & I'm in awe of people who adopt. As of last week I am an Aunt to a child that has been adopted by my sibling. After reading adopters comments I will be even more mindful when offering them all support and love.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 20/03/2017 21:04

An old friend went through something like this. She adopted siblings but the older one was so badly damaged that the poor boy ended up in the equivalent of Broadmoor for under 16s. He was really dangerous. She has done everything in her power for both children and I know she has been through far more than I could even imagine. The younger sibling has now had two babies removed by SS, babies I'm sure my friend would have loved to care for, but it's not that simple. I have the utmost respect for adoptive parents.

DorcasthePuffin · 20/03/2017 21:29

I think there is some merit to the argument that prospective adoptive parents should be better trained as specialist therapeutic carers. There are two reasons why that won't happen: one, because of the risk of over-pathologising and so jeopardising the development of natural family relationships. Secondly, because of cost.

I do strongly feel that adoptive parents should be offered MUCH more support post-adoption, including in-depth and ongoing training in therapeutic parenting techniques.

Fatbird71 · 20/03/2017 21:40

I agree Dorcas.

But our PASW is non existent, the Adoption support fund is now restricted so fat chance of getting this support that we have been promised

Kewcumber · 20/03/2017 21:43

Our problem with accessing the Adoption support fund has been the shortage of qualified therapists.

allowlsthinkalot · 20/03/2017 21:48

After RTFT I read this:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/301889/Final_Report_-_3rd_April_2014v2.pdf

Both gave me more understanding of the reasons why adoptions are disrupted and I would no longer judge.

TheFirstMrsDV · 20/03/2017 21:50

Whilst I have so many adopters on a thread can I recommend NVR training (I am sure you have heard of it already but just in case). I had mine funded by the Adoption Support Fund.
It is the best parenting course I have been on/been involved with.

Bostoncremecrazy · 20/03/2017 21:53

OP YABU to judge your friends. The best you can do at this point is stay away from them.

I'm an adopter with children who have needs related to their trauma. It is tough going - in the early days - and by that I mean the first few years! - I could have given up and asked for them to be taken back into care. It is parenting like you cannot know unless you parent a traumatised adopted child. There is simply no comparison.

I know other adopters whose children have been relinquished back into the care system, it was not, and will never be an easy decision for them to make. It is heartbreaking and hard - but somehow they had to do the right thing for everyone involved.

and oliver do stop talking shite.....messy hair my ass.

bigmac4me · 20/03/2017 22:01

Another adoptive parent here (first post).

I am both appalled at the ignorance and unfeeling posts from some, and yet comforted by others who do know what adoptive parents go through, and have indeed experienced some pretty awful situations themselves.

The dog one. I think the poster wrote how she would keep her dog at home, rather than pass him onto another, potentially unkind, home. Unfortunately you can't do that with children.You can't keep them at home, safe and warm with the rest of the world at arm's length. They have to go out into the big wide world and socialise, hopefully be educated, which in many ways as (any type of parent) we have little control over. At least little control when they are away from us. Without us there to love and protect them they are vulnerable, or in the situation we had with one much loved adopted child, anyone they came into contact with was vulnerable.

My husband and I have three wonderful adoptive children, one of whom has a serious disability and will always need our care. The other two are married with children of their own. Some years ago we decided to become foster carers, and one child we later adopted too. He was the much loved youngest son and little brother. His past history was amongst the most painful we have known, but for five years he blossomed and grew. Children's services and teachers could not believe the improvements in him.

However, during his teenage years he got in contact with his birth family, and over the next year or so changed dramatically. Violence, sexual violence and weapons became his life. He would attack anyone, including ourselves. Every help, every therapy, everything was tried, he got worse and worse. Should we have continued to have him in our home? To any of the parents who believe we should have not have turned our back on him, can I ask what you would do if younger vulnerable members of your family were subjected to his violence?

We hung on desperately until one day I realised the terror in the face of our disabled son, and the sheer thrill on the face of the son of whom I am writing. In that moment I thought - NO, NO, NO, NO. You will no longer do this to him, to us all.

It was some while later I realised if he were our own biological son our decision would have been no different. We put the rest of our family first and after six years we asked for him to be removed....the fact he was legally adopted made no difference at this point.

I guess the OP would not want to be friends with me either.

Do I love him? Yes. Do I feel guilty? Yes. Would I now have made the same decision for him to be removed ? Yes but earlier.

bigmac4me · 20/03/2017 22:02

I think there is some merit to the argument that prospective adoptive parents should be better trained as specialist therapeutic carers

We were. It made no difference.

CoffeeCoffeeAndLotsOfIt · 20/03/2017 22:13

I stumbled across this thread by accident.

I read the OP, and I'm ashamed to say my initial thought was "selfish people of course you can't just send the children back".

But, I've read each post and my opinion has done a complete 360 turn.

Even though I'm in my thirties, I don't know anyone who has adopted and only know, and very vaguely, one adoptee (who would have been adopted in the 50s).

This thread has made me see the process in a whole new light. Thanks very much for educating me, on a situation that I've never had to give much thought to. There's been some very honest and heartbreaking stories from adoptive parents FlowersFlowers

bigmac4me · 20/03/2017 22:16

Coffee you are wonderful. Thank you for your honesty and for being so open minded. Wish there were more like you.

deadpool99 · 20/03/2017 22:16

bigmac Flowers
Such a sad story. It sounds like you did the right thing but very difficult for you all.

OP, YABU. Until you have walked in their shoes 24*7 you don't know how you would possibly feel or what you would do.
e.g. if your relationship with your children was so bad that either they or you were in danger, you would have to do something. Maybe that's where they are at ? I don't think they would have made this decision lightly.

comehomemax · 20/03/2017 22:24

The dog analogy is fucking offensive. What the fuck is wrong with people.

ifeeltheneedtheneedforspeed · 20/03/2017 22:39

I think it's the short time frame that the OP is upset about, that a year doesn't seem long enough to give everyone a chance to settle to a new living situation.
On one hand I can see how removing the children and placing them somewhere better suited but then in the flip side -moving them again will surely only add to their distrusted life?
Either way it's very sad all round and it seems there should be more support in place from the appropriate services to help families overcome issues.

MoonriseKingdom · 20/03/2017 22:43

I think it is very telling that all the posters on this thread who have actually adopted children have great sympathy for this couple.

AbernathysFringe · 20/03/2017 22:48

I agree with you OP, couldn't look them in the eye. Re. The Dogs' Trust comment, we had family friends who had a lovely rescue for a couple of years and when she relapsed some problems because they'd moved house, they gave her back and I can't look THEM in the eye. I don't think any living creatures we make love us should be there-but-for-inconvenience.
I'd cut the friends off for doing it whatever the experience has been like for them. Unless they'd give up a birth child for the same reasons? Friendship doesn't trump conflicting moral or ethical views.

CoffeeCoffeeAndLotsOfIt · 20/03/2017 22:51

bigmac that's very kind of you to say, but no I'm not. I'm just very ordinary. It's people like you guys above who are the wonderful ones.

There are probably loads of other people like me reading tonight, who have also had their eyes opened to the various issues that can come with adopting.

bigmac4me · 20/03/2017 22:51

I think it is very telling that all the posters on this thread who have actually adopted children have great sympathy for this couple

One of the MANY positive things about being adopted has meant, for us personally, we are less judgemental. A bit ironic when we have found very many people are judgemental to us. However, you enter a bit of another world when so many of the ordinary events of life, are somehow more difficult or need more care in tackling. Some minor issues can become major issues, and yet major issues to others aren't so bad at all because we have faced worst. Behind closed doors life is a little different to most, and I believe that has made me more understanding of others. It has certainly made my adult (adopted) children more compassionate and caring, and makes them both wonderful parents themselves.

That wonderful fridge magnet one of my children bought me Remember as far as anyone knows we are a normal family really is the case sometimes.

IllhaveaPpleaseBob · 20/03/2017 22:53

Another adopter here (also first post)

I can maybe get that your initial reaction on hearing this might be "how could they?", but surely this might then lead you to wonder why?
Of course this is desperately sad for the children involved, their lives facing another loss. But it will not be being done lightly.

I too can understand the OP's 'friends' position, having been severely tested at many points during our 9 years as adopters to 2 siblings. Believe me you won't know the half of it. They will have been struggling to admit it to themselves, let alone the professionals involved with them & their family, and unless you are really close, they won't have been willing or able (for so many reasons- confidentiality, shame, guilt, devastation) to tell you.

I used to lie awake at night fantasising about our eldest no longer living with us. I never even told my husband, such was the depth of shame that I felt for even thinking this. But I wished it, more times than I care to remember, because the situation at home was frequently intolerable. Oppositional, controlling, aggressive behaviour, targeting our youngest all the time and needing so much individual attention I felt like I was being sucked dry. And we had good times too- love and laughter, 'normal' family outings, but these were all too often overshadowed by the challenges. And as others have said, no amount of preparation enables you to simply deal with it and not feel totally overwhelmed. There is never enough of the right type of support.

And while we might all wish that our adopted children's behaviour was just like any other child, the sad reality for so many is that it just isn't. Advances in neuroscience have confirmed the long lasting effects on brain development following abuse and neglect.

Our family has survived, just, though we had another brush with breakdown in the early teenage years, with violent out of control behaviour the norm at home for far too long.

And as for the posters comparing the situation with rescuing a dog- I hope by now you realise how ridiculous you sound.

So to the OP I agree that if you can't get past your gut reaction of 'how could they?' then it's probably best to stay away. And to the OP's 'friends' and their children, my heart goes out to you.

kierenthecommunity · 20/03/2017 22:55

I know the OP says she isn't coming back, but I'd be quite interested to hear why her opinion differs from her H's? And why he hasn't convinced her otherwise?

Presumably he knows the family equally well and is privy to identical information?

AbernathysFringe · 20/03/2017 22:56

I suppose the dog analogy is 'if it's a crap thing to do to a dog, how about a child who actually understands'.

DorcasthePuffin · 20/03/2017 22:56

ifeeltheneed, as I explained upthread, the fact that it was a year suggests that they had tried to make it work up to the point where they would normally be granted the final adoption order. These 12 months would have been monitored by social workers and it is possible that it was the social workers who said at that point, "This family isn't going to work so we're not going to take it to the next stage". Or the parents would have said that. Or they would have agreed together.

Once that decision has been made - and social workers would not get to it lightly, as it is of course absolutely horrendous for the child to have a disrupted adoption, as well as hugely expensive for the LA - the children would leave fairly quickly for obvious reasons. Just as when they are removed from birth parents, you can't put children's lives on hold.