To be fucking furious this is happening to women's sports

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For all those who think trans politics doesn't affect you or your daughters - please read this article of a male forcing women out of their sport and the authorities are letting this happen. If you don't give a shiney shit about this incident - what exactly will it take for you to sit up and take notice and start saying enough.

m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11821399

I'm not bothered if you are sorry - but making wanky comments like that hardly is going to help your argument.

Vis said own points...

I have 3 sons, no daughters, but that has jackshit to do with this. Bottom line is males are encroaching into the - de facto already less privileged - safe spaces for women; be that refuges, toilets, or a level playing field at sports they may love.

And God help those of us who dare to speak up and against the Emperors New Clothes - we're dismissed as transphobic; rad fems; CIS the whatever the fuck that is; when reality is I certainly am none of those things. I simply want women to not lost the rights that have been SO fucking hard for over the years and am bewildered by those who say they can see nothing wrong in the rapidly encroaching current situation.

Ignoring it won't make it go away. And people calling me names for speaking an obvious truth will not make me go away either (although again, there is that centuries old pattern of females being just fucking dismissed being repeated again right there:/)

Thanks Livia, I'm off to watch SSGB so will leave the outraged and furious to their bun fight.

I'm not happy either, OP.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/05/uk-gym-banned-trans-man-from-using-mens-changing-rooms/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3576566/Transgender-man-born-woman-banned-male-changing-room-gym-BREASTS.html

Usual crap again

Look. No one is taking our precious rights away

By the looks of all the transphobia on MN then trans people actually need more rights for their own protection

*Usual crap again

Look. No one is taking our precious rights away*

So, it was perfectly fair for this weightlifting to compete in the women's category? Can you explain why that is?

Missswatch - why is any discussion about issues surrounding trans people immediately brought down to the level of "trans hating".

I don't have any issues at ALL with trans people. But this is a situation that needs careful consideration. Because the potential impact is massive - and, could be, dangerous.

Could you just point out the transphobia please @missswatch ?

I'll wait.

MrsK. Explain how your precious rights are being taken away by teh evil menz

Miss are you serious? Nothing precious about it. Let a man walk in and take over a woman's achievements because of an obvious physical advantage.

2 abused women were kicked out of a women's shelter last week for objecting to sharing with a male. I'd say their rights were trampled on.

In the case of refuges, I would have an entirely different opinion. For sports it feels a bit meh.

As a woman I wasn't good enough to be on the mens first team in my fav sport. I was good enough to be on the mens second team. We didn't have enough women to make a decent women's team, (and I would have felt uncomfortable about the fact that weaker male players weren't allowed on it).

So that is where I played, in the mens seconds. As long as I can play competitively at a plausible level to my skills I don't care what the team is called, or who I share it with.

This attitude would lead to the top few levels of any sport becoming dominated by XY individuals, but after that it would be a fairer free for all than currently exists.

So it is really a matter of role models. I have never been clear why I can't be inspired by someone with a cock, just because I don't have one. I also don't know what about someone like Jess Ennis-Hill coming back from pregnancy so amazingly is supposed to be transferable to my own physique that was shattered beyond the ability of medical science to repair by the process. Honestly I don't feel I have significantly less in common with Usain Bolt than with Jess. I can't ever be like either of them.

This is nothing more than a first world problem. Get over it

Meanwhile in the middle east...

@misswatch ...

A person that has gone through male puberty has on average a higher lung capacity, longer arms (and therefore a much bigger reach), longer legs, harder bones and a few other advantages strength wise.

the chances of being grievously and potentially permanently injured would be drastically heightened if a trans woman and a biological woman were to fight against each other in a contact sport.

This is also especially pertinent because there has been at least one case of a trans woman lying about being a biological male in combat sports at a professional level. I don't even want to know how many do during amateur competitions/tournaments...

So, actually. It's a health and safety concern as well. For females, not trans women, obviously...

Ah strawman bingo!

justdon't The whole raison d'etre of sport is that those with a physical advantage steal the glory from the rest.

Having a category for people somewhat disadvantaged in the physical prowess department, kind of makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I mean I can't help noticing there isn't a separate high jump contest for short people?

My child's Sensei at judo has represented the UK numerous times in the sport, she's a black belt and as hard as nails. She is terrified of what this means for women's sport. She doesn't compete anymore, but said to me "judo changed my life, without it I would be nowhere, my parents were poor, I had no advantages except for being good at judo". She told me that everything she achieved in her life came from judo - the coaching and teaching jobs that came after she finished competing, it's given her everything she has in life. Today, if she was young, starting out and competing, some man could just come along and say he's a woman, compete in her sport and take all that from her because she has no possible way of beating him because no matter how hard she trains and practices she will never be as strong as him. If people can't see a problem with that then I honestly don't know what else to say.

This is nothing more than a first world problem. Get over it

Someone needs to tell the transwomen that when they're moaning about lesbians not being willing to suck their female "plumbing".

MrsK. Explain how your precious rights are being taken away by teh evil menz

I asked a polite question because I'm genuinely interested in your beliefs about this case.

Your response is not so polite, but to answer your question I'm concerned about the rights of sportswomen to fair competition, I'm concerned about the rights of vulnerable women in prison, I'm concerned about having accurate statistics in the future (for instance regarding the incidence of sexual violence committed by females vs males, and about the pay gap). I'm concerned that I may in the future face a situation where I could lose my job if I'm not prepared to teach something that I don't believe. I'm concerned because I'm already facing a situation where I'm having to choose between a voluntary role that I enjoy and my beliefs.

I enough think men are intrinsically evil, I don't think trans people are evil. I do think that as a society we are heading down a path which has some worrying implications. I'd like to be able to discuss that.

How long before women athletes down tools and refuse to participate in this nonsense?

Yes to this.

Actually, I think the only way anyone will notice is when it starts to happen in very popular sports. It will start to happen in 100m, Tennis, Swimming etc and then the general public will see what's happening and hopefully start to say how unfair it is.

We wimmin will just have to be patient, cos nobody is taking any notice at the moment

MsGames Maybe Judo could have turned my life around too...if only I didn't have a pathetically low pain tolerance and pathological issues with bruising.

Somebody else could have had the chance in life she had. It might have been another woman, it might have been me, now, it might be a TW.

The point is noone is owed a career in sport, precisely because there could always be someone out there much more gifted than you.

I coach my sport even though I never hit any sort of high level performance at all. You can get a long way and make it a part of your life without ever competing at national, let alone international level.

I heard an athlete recently complaining on the news. She was competing in some European running thing (can you tell I'm not an athlete ) and was complaining about the Kenyans coming over here, winning all the medals. Now, presumably, said Kenyans meet the eligibility requirements to compete. But Kenyans have a natural ability to win races apparently and so, according to this athlete, it was very unfair.

The fact of the matter is, sport is not about achievement so much as it is about money. Any advantage will be seized upon. Look at Michael Phelps' physical attributes that make him almost unbeatable. And, look at the Williams sisters-they're incredible but not exactly stereotypically feminine, are they.

What's wrong in women's sport is not the odd transwoman competing (because having male DNA doesn't automatically make a man a world-beating athlete). What's wrong is lack of visibility, support, training, investment in women's sport.

I agree women should down tools, because in spite of my opinions about TW in sport, the whole trans agenda is a disaster. Maybe sport will be the thing that makes people realise what a whole sale stripping of reality is occurring.

I wonder how much of a level playing field sports already are for women?

Given funding that some sports get for training compared to other countries?

Better diets in different parts of the world?

Better school facilities in the UK? Private schools seem to do better at producing champions than State schools.

Transwomen often do have an advantage.

But women from private schools, in countries that can give their sports a lot of money for training and funding and can afford to be funded for training also have an advantage over women from less advantage backgrounds.