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Advice needed about bereavement and family fall out

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ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 15:42

I've name changed for this as some details are quite identifying.

My fiancé and I have been together for 3 years. His home town is 350 miles away and his parents and sister and family live there. Up until last year I had met his parents and sister once when we made the trip so I could be introduced to them. I know he's not particularly close to his parents and his relationship with his sister isn't' good as they just never really got on and he felt that his parents would always 'take her side'. She lives 5 minutes away from their parents and always feels the need to point out that she has a better relationship with them and does everything for them.

Last October we got engaged, two weeks later his mother was diagnosed with cancer and the prognosis was poor. At the time I asked him if he wanted to just have a quick registry office wedding in his home town so she could be there, he said he didn't want to do it like that. Plans for the wedding later this year went ahead. We visited again just after her diagnosis. I was very conscious that wedding plans were forging ahead and I didn't want her to felt left out so I casually dropped into conversation that we had found a venue, his mother changed the subject and I left it at that. I appreciate that she had other things to think about than our wedding. His father did ask to see my engagement ring on the way out but that was it.

In December my fiancé had to make the trip down to near his home town for work. He spoke to his father and said he would try to get over to visit and would ring him to confirm. As it was meetings over ran and he was unable to make it. He didn't ring to let them know, but in his mind as he said he would ring to confirm there wouldn't be a problem. (He has now admitted that he was in the wrong and should have called, he has since apologised for this.)

Following this things have become very frosty between him and his family. Three weeks ago we received a text from his father to say that his mum had gone into a hospice. My fiancé immediately tried calling his father a few times but got no answer, as thought he would be in and out of the hospice and unable to asnswer his phone he sent his father a text to say he would like to visit this weekend. He received a very curt reply saying that his father and his sister had worked very hard to make his mother comfortable and any ciosit would have to be short, so as not to upset her. My fiancé made the trip and had a chance to really talk with his dad and was pleased that they had cleared the air and very positive about their relationship. Following this visit my fiancé texted his father everyday, sometimes he received replies, sometimes not. Again we thought that this was fine as he had other things to think about. Last week my fiancé received a text to say that his mother had died, he tried to call his father but could not get hold of him. He has texted daily asking his father if he wants him to come home, or if he can help in any way. He has received no replies. Then his father texted him and said that he didn't understand why he hadn't heard from him in a year but had received 55 texts in the last 18 days. He said he hadn't spoken to his mother in over a year and this was "too little, too late". The reality is my fiancé and his mother had been in contact almost daily over whatsapp.

Today my fiancé had received a typed letter in the post informing him the date and time of the funeral. There is no mention of him coming in the cars to the crem or anything else to do with the family. Just the dune, date and time, signed 'regards'.

Fiancé is now saying he is not going to the funeral. He doesn't want there to be a scene and he thinks his sister will cause one. I've tried to encourage him to go but he won't entertain the idea. Should I be doing anything else?

Phew, that was long. Thanks if you made it this far.

OP posts:
spiney · 18/03/2017 18:02

Well that's scented told.

Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 18:03

Oh I don't know if hq deleted that because I reported it but I did report my post.

I am shocked that your partner can't see how totally and utterly selfish he has been.

Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 18:04

I HAVE said I shouldn't have called the op a cow and for that, op, I am sorry. I shouldn't have said that. (And I have already apologised and reported my own post)

But to sit and discuss a wedding with a woman with a terminal diagnosis when you would have known she might not make it is crass.

DrippyWet · 18/03/2017 18:06

The OPs DH was in regular contact with his Mum. He was supporting her in a way and he tried to visit. He should have done more but it wasn't as though he just forgot about her.

Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 18:07

He texted. That's not the same. It's just not.

No one stopped him going visiting. They didnt take his car keys or let down his tyres or turn him from the door. He didn't bother.

MrsTwix · 18/03/2017 18:08

It sounds to me that there is more to this story, something happened before you met him perhaps?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 18/03/2017 18:08

I am shocked DP was notified by text of his mother's death.

It's sad that DP thought he and his father had got back on good terms but it's all stopped since his Mum passed away.
Everyone is no doubt in shock and everything is very raw. However strained the relationship with his sister, a family bereavement can play havoc with emotions.
Maybe his father expected DP to spontaneously decide to travel to see him and his sister when the news came?

I agree with other MNers, I would talk to DP and lean towards making that journey to attend the funeral. As much for his own comfort and closure, as offering support to father and sibling. The whole day may feel fraught and unreal but it will help him.

Better to make your own arrangements for accommodation and transport.

This is a formal way to say goodbye to his mum and in addition he can make any private personal farewell wherever he prefers.
DP as the absent child is a handy target for any upset and bitterness, but any scene created by his sister would be in poor taste and other mourners would think it inappropriate.

GreyTS · 18/03/2017 18:08

You don't actually seem to be taking any of this on board though. Yes your Fiancé's family are likely very hurt and angry with him right now, and justifiably so. However if he fails to turn up to his mothers funeral it is likely that their relationship will never be repaired. His behaviour now is cowardly, he needs to face his family and accept that his behaviour to date has been pretty awful

Falafelings · 18/03/2017 18:09

Write to the sister and dad immediately. Say how much he loves his mother and regrets he didn't have more contact. Say he would like to see them before the funeral and will drive to see them on x date. Aim to ease the waters before the funeral. Turn up on the date and if they are in, they are in.

JumpingJellybeanz · 18/03/2017 18:09

If you want to do the decent thing and have any chance of a future relationship with his family then you go to the funeral.

Not going will not avoid hurting them, it will cause them further pain at the very worst time. Not going only avoids making you/your fiance uncomfortable. It is the cowards way of dealing with it.

Not going to the funeral and then inviting them to the wedding a few months later is a great big 'we don't give a flying fuck about your loss' and quite frankly leaves me lost for words.

Falafelings · 18/03/2017 18:10

He has to go to the funeral to make amends. Non attendance might as well mean going NC forever

Megatherium · 18/03/2017 18:11

I don't understand why the fact that your DP hasn't done enough means that he should stay away from the funeral, meaning that he will be perceived as compounding the previous offence. I know it will be difficult, but I think he really does need to go, both for his own sake and to try to mend fences with his brother and sister. I agree that a preliminary letter would be a good way to pave the way, provided it is phrased very sensitively. And no more texts, for goodness sake!

Babyroobs · 18/03/2017 18:12

The whole situation is a mess and just so sad. I can only think your dp did not realise how short time was or he would have visited more, brought the wedding forward etc. he needs to go to the funeral, as others have said if he does not, I would imagine they will cut contact completely.

Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 18:12

If he goes he needs to be prepared that his father and sister might be cool towards him. (Understatement). I was polite but distant and inside I was raging - and clearly, still am given my visceral response to this thread.

I haven't seen my brother since and I haven't spoken to him and if I never do it'll be too soon. He texts my dad regularly though so that's ok, presumably. Hmm

When my dad dies I'll tell him but after that is all done I will never see him again.

JennyWoodentop · 18/03/2017 18:15

No advice, but if you want this debate to continue is it worth asking for it to be moved to relationships? I think you might get more support and understanding on that board about dealing with dysfunctional families, whereas here I suspect a lot of people are making judgments on your partner's behaviour based on how they would expect people to behave in "normal" families.

You were clear in the OP that your partner was not close to his parents and sister and that until your engagement and his mother's illness you seemed to have had very little contact with them - there are no doubt reasons for that on both sides, both then, and perhaps fueling problems now, that are a bit more subtle than just that your partner has behaved "badly" etc

HamSandwichKiller · 18/03/2017 18:15

They sent the funeral details because they want him to go. He's already behaved thoughtlessly, don't make it worse.

Apologise before the funeral and show up. If he doesn't I can't imagine his family will be attending the wedding.

Falafelings · 18/03/2017 18:16

YEs they want him to go. They have told him the details and expect him to be there

spiney · 18/03/2017 18:17

I hope OP is still reading.

grannytomine · 18/03/2017 18:20

ScentedCandle, don't feel bad about mentioning the wedding. If it was one of my sons and his fiancee I would want to hear about it even if I knew I wasn't going to be there. He had his relationship with his mum, that was between them and not for others to judge.

I am amazed that someone judged their brother for not doing a reading or anything at the funeral, I didn't at my mother's funeral as I knew I wouldn't be able to do it. It was nothing to do with lack of caring or respect, we were very close. People are very judgemental.

Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 18:24

Granny. My brother was asked. He refused. He was asked to come and see his mother in the hospice before she died. He refused. He was asked to go and sit with her in the funeral home. He refused. He was asked to stay after the crem and go to the wake. He refused.

I could go on get the picture. So damn right I judged him, in the whole context.

Foldedtshirt · 18/03/2017 18:24

You're not a cow, trying to control anyone else's relationship is difficult.

daisychain01 · 18/03/2017 18:24

I doubt it, spiney, the sanctimony of some posts must have made her hide it.

So good to know how worthy and perfect some people are.

Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 18:24

*but you get the picture

Phone.

Frankley · 18/03/2017 18:24

If he was not wanted and expected at the funeral he would not have been sent the details of its when and where. You should both go,I think.
If you do not go you risk offending his father even more. But if you both go at least you have done the correct thing, whatever reception you get there. If you do not go the family will probably misinterpret your reason for not going and you will never be able to put it right.
If you don't go I think they will not be at your wedding. You have my sympathy OP as there have been misunderstandings with my relatives.

daisychain01 · 18/03/2017 18:25

Anne your bitterness should not spill onto someone else's thread.