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Advice needed about bereavement and family fall out

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ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 15:42

I've name changed for this as some details are quite identifying.

My fiancé and I have been together for 3 years. His home town is 350 miles away and his parents and sister and family live there. Up until last year I had met his parents and sister once when we made the trip so I could be introduced to them. I know he's not particularly close to his parents and his relationship with his sister isn't' good as they just never really got on and he felt that his parents would always 'take her side'. She lives 5 minutes away from their parents and always feels the need to point out that she has a better relationship with them and does everything for them.

Last October we got engaged, two weeks later his mother was diagnosed with cancer and the prognosis was poor. At the time I asked him if he wanted to just have a quick registry office wedding in his home town so she could be there, he said he didn't want to do it like that. Plans for the wedding later this year went ahead. We visited again just after her diagnosis. I was very conscious that wedding plans were forging ahead and I didn't want her to felt left out so I casually dropped into conversation that we had found a venue, his mother changed the subject and I left it at that. I appreciate that she had other things to think about than our wedding. His father did ask to see my engagement ring on the way out but that was it.

In December my fiancé had to make the trip down to near his home town for work. He spoke to his father and said he would try to get over to visit and would ring him to confirm. As it was meetings over ran and he was unable to make it. He didn't ring to let them know, but in his mind as he said he would ring to confirm there wouldn't be a problem. (He has now admitted that he was in the wrong and should have called, he has since apologised for this.)

Following this things have become very frosty between him and his family. Three weeks ago we received a text from his father to say that his mum had gone into a hospice. My fiancé immediately tried calling his father a few times but got no answer, as thought he would be in and out of the hospice and unable to asnswer his phone he sent his father a text to say he would like to visit this weekend. He received a very curt reply saying that his father and his sister had worked very hard to make his mother comfortable and any ciosit would have to be short, so as not to upset her. My fiancé made the trip and had a chance to really talk with his dad and was pleased that they had cleared the air and very positive about their relationship. Following this visit my fiancé texted his father everyday, sometimes he received replies, sometimes not. Again we thought that this was fine as he had other things to think about. Last week my fiancé received a text to say that his mother had died, he tried to call his father but could not get hold of him. He has texted daily asking his father if he wants him to come home, or if he can help in any way. He has received no replies. Then his father texted him and said that he didn't understand why he hadn't heard from him in a year but had received 55 texts in the last 18 days. He said he hadn't spoken to his mother in over a year and this was "too little, too late". The reality is my fiancé and his mother had been in contact almost daily over whatsapp.

Today my fiancé had received a typed letter in the post informing him the date and time of the funeral. There is no mention of him coming in the cars to the crem or anything else to do with the family. Just the dune, date and time, signed 'regards'.

Fiancé is now saying he is not going to the funeral. He doesn't want there to be a scene and he thinks his sister will cause one. I've tried to encourage him to go but he won't entertain the idea. Should I be doing anything else?

Phew, that was long. Thanks if you made it this far.

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ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:17

When she died he wanted to go down. His father told him he didn't want him there. How could he have gone?

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user1488397138 · 18/03/2017 17:18

Sorry haven't read all replies.
Why is the funeral two weeks after she passed away? That seems a long time even if an autopsy (sorry) is required.

ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:19

Sheldonsspot you seem to be entirely misunderstanding my post. I said I had mentioned the wedding because I didn't want her to feel left out. I actually said I didn't blame her for not being interested. You are deliberately misunderstanding me.

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ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:20

user Acrually, by the time the funeral happens it will be a month after she died. We have no idea why due to the lack of communication.

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Poppet1974 · 18/03/2017 17:22

I agree that your fiancé has behaved appallingly. All this texting if he should visit and not going to visit because his meetings ran over time.
His father has every right to be disappointed, they know where they stand.
Also to even contemplate not going to your own mother's funeral, if as you say they were in touch a lot, is absolutely beyond comprehension. Sounds like he's looking for an excuse.....

Crispbutty · 18/03/2017 17:23

He isn't a child, he is a grown man and his grieving father probably lashed out saying "don't bother coming". Quite understandable given the circumstances he was going through.

Your fiancé should have had the balls to just go, check into a hotel if needs be and try to talk to his dad and his sister. As it is, they are dealing with everything and he is doing nothing.

IrenetheQuaint · 18/03/2017 17:24

Why on earth did he not visit more before she died? I'm not surprised his father and sister don't want him around much now; he could have supported them in the difficult months when she was dying but it sounds like he just didn't bother.

ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:24

Sorry, there's a bit to this I forgot. It's not a drip feed, honestly, it's just that my head is a bit all over the place. After the visit in December that didn't happen. He tried to re-arrange for another weekend, but his father told him they were too busy.

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ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:26

They really aren't the kind of family that just turn up unannounced. When his dad told him not to come, he wouldn't have dreamed of going. That's just not how they work.

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ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:27

Can people please understand that he was texting because his father would not answer the phone.

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Foldedtshirt · 18/03/2017 17:28

user1488 sadly it's not a long time but quite normal, very hard for all concerned.
Scented I would encourage and support your fiancé to attend- he can make up his mind in the day even.

Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 17:29

My brother did this. DM diagnosed, he came once in 18 months and Rehnquist turned up weeping to the funeral.

I wish my dad had had the balls to tell him not to come it really upset me. And was, in my opinion, hypocritical.

It's not the moon. He should have gone and seen his mum when she was alive.

MatildaTheCat · 18/03/2017 17:33

You should both go to the funeral. I think your fiancé should write a letter to his dad and sister explaining that he does understand how upset and angry they are with him. However,mhe had his own relationship with his mum and if it wasn't good enough well, that's his loss and burden.

He is absolutely entitled to attend his mother's funeral and you should be there to support him. He should ask their permission to attend in the capacity of an important family member and go in the funeral car etc but accept that if this isn't their wish he will be coming and saying goodbye to his mum anyway.

Emphasise that he loved his mum and does love them and regrets that he's been absent. If they refuse to reply OT speak at least they will be forewarned that you are coming. Ensure the wording includes something to the effect that he is sure that you all wish to give his mum a respectful and dignified send off to ward off any unseemly arguments.

Unless they have a big turn around I wouldn't expect him or you to be welcome at the reception but at least he will have been there for the important part.

Attending together is vital. Keeping absolutely calm and dignified is also vital.

wannabestressfree · 18/03/2017 17:34

'I said I wasn't surprised she wasn't interested'

Ugh. You sound as bad as him. Empathy bypass.

ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:36

Re-reading the replies on here is actually making me think that it's probably better if we don't go. If people think they are angry at him and it will just upset them more if he turns up, then we really should stay away. I'm still going to try and get him to invite them to the wedding though.

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Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 17:37

And I do know it's not all about me. But my brother visited once in 5 years before my mum was diagnosed, then came once after, and to the funeral. He left straight after the funeral and didn't come to the wake. He didn't stand with dad in the line up or help him in the morning (he was at dads the night before) he didn't say any words, even though he'd been asked to say a verse, he did nothing other than turn up. To do the weeping son. He never spoke one word to me in the car the whole way to the crem from the church he put his head against the window and went to sleep and left me dealing with his young child. It was pointless. He wasn't there when it mattered and she wanted to see him and it broke her heart.

ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:38

wannabe That's not how I meant it. It obviously came out wrong. I just didn't know whether to mention it or not.

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ENormaSnob · 18/03/2017 17:40

I also think your partner has behaved appallingly tbh.

Annesmyth123 · 18/03/2017 17:40

Have you any idea what it will have been like for his sister and his dad? Poor him being so badly affected by seeing her at the hospice. I bet his sister didn't really enjoy seeing it every day.

Babyroobs · 18/03/2017 17:40

Sounds like his family are really upset that he wasn't there more for his mum in her last months, perhaps they struggled a lot more than they let on. To be honest I think he should have just gone there as soon as he heard the news she had died but obviously he can't change that now. He should try to go to the funeral and just keep his distance from his sister I think, she is clearly very hurt. My fil died last year and there was a lot of issues/ hostilities between my bil and sil. They just kept their distance from each other and fortunately there were no scenes.

JumpingJellybeanz · 18/03/2017 17:41

What SheldonsSpot said 100%.

Your fiance has nobody to blame for the current situation but himself.

ScentedCandle123 · 18/03/2017 17:43

Ok. It seems we have both handled this very badly. I hadn't realised I'd overstepped the mark in mentioning the wedding. He's clearly not tried hard enough. In taking that into consideration I do feel that us being there will cause hurt and upset. I agree that we shouldn't go.

Thanks everyone for your advice and time Flowers.

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Megatherium · 18/03/2017 17:43

Your DP's conduct does seem odd. He really didn't need your father's permission to visit his mother in the hospice - he could have arranged it direct with them - and of course he could have contacted his mother directly. Likewise, he could simply have gone to visit anyway as soon as he heard of his mother's death; I know you say they aren't the type of people who normally turn up unannounced, but these were hardly normal circumstances. I still treasure the fact that, when my father died, my son dropped everything and just came to see me: it wouldn't have occurred to any of us that he needed permission.

Whether he had his reasons or not, I think he has to understand that the lack of contact from him has caused distress to his father and sister, hence the formal notification of the funeral. He really needs to go and try to mend some fences - if he doesn't, the relationship with his father will really be irretrievable.

Babyroobs · 18/03/2017 17:43

And matildaThe Cat's advice is spot on . I always think letters are a good way to explain what you really feel rather than a conversation which can get heated and things come out all wrong.

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