To think the result of this rape trial is disgusting

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Man gets off completely Scot=free for raping a 12 year old girl, and that this result gives such a wrong message to men, in a world in which girls are never considered too young anyway. I'm enraged!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39305042

He has a conviction. Which will appear on a criminal record check for the rest of his life.

Dick

A conviction for....

A conviction for "rape of a young child"

So he's guilty. He says he's guilty. He's convicted as guilty of rape.

I don't understand why you're splitting hairs? Or am I missing something?

The girl is a victim only in the legal sense that she has been branded a victim by our laws, everything that happened that night was things she sought after. (Any discussion of her upbringing or circumstances making her a victim by proxy is irrelevant when you objectively look at this one night as its own entity)

She is a 12 year old child. There is a very good reason why small children are not able to give consent to sex. It's to protect them, because, you know, they're children.

Discussions around why she might have 'sought after' the things she did are not irrelevant. They are critical to supporting a very vulnerable child.

I actually don't know why I'm bothering. I think you're being a goady fucker.

So at 18 or 21, a woman needs to seek permission from another person before she is allowed to have sex?

No that's not what I meant..... if a person wishes to have sex with someone who doesn't look over 16 beyond all possible doubt (I.e. Looks mid-20s or more), it should be the responsibility of that person to satisfy themselves the person is over 16 by triangulating with some other information (e.g. Being a fellow student on a university course)..... simply believing the other person looked 16 or over wouldn't be a valid defence.

12. She was 12. A child. For fucks sake.

But I think that needs to be put into law before someone can be held accountable to that standard.... I think the sentence was appropriate.

I agree with smile

Even the name theonlyvictimwashim

expressing sympathy for the man involved in one thing

I think there is something seriously wrong with people who are actually blaming the 12 year old

Christ, that post by "hewastheonlyvictim" sounds like a parody or something. I know people like being goady fuckers, but that is so bloody obvious.

12. She was 12. A child. For fucks sake.

But a few street-wise 12 yo act convincingly like 16 yo's..... hence the need to society and the law to apply a standard that protects them. Clearly being out at 4am and looking and behaving like an adult is. It enough. It's all very well saying his behaviour should have been different with hindsight though.

Adults should be held to higher standards of conduct than children. He wouldn't have been in this position if he hadn't chosen to have sex with someone he didn't know who said they were 16 and there was no way of knowing if she was or not.

Looking at his photo, he's not unattractive and was at university so assuming he had a modicum of personality he could probably find women of his own age to have one night stands with if they're that imperative to him.

He made a really poor decision for which he should be held properly accountable for.

There is a grey area whereby the age of consent is 16, but nothing ever happens to say a 16 & 15 year old couple.

Some jurisdictions have explicit 'Romeo and Juliet' legislation, I think.

Fuck off with the victim blaming nonsense. The adult man in question made very poor choices and had the consequences. He's not the victim here. The child who should not have been in that environment is the victim here, of her personal circumstances and the man in question albeit without predatory intent.

theonly

Excuse me, would you mind telling me if you are a namechanger or new poster

Nothing wrong with either of those in my opinion

Just curious as to whether you feel so strongly about this case that you needed to register to post or whether you just dont have the courage of your convictions to use your original name

And the implication that the 16-year-old is an innocent virgin being taken advantage of by a 19-year-old seems a little sexist. A lot of girls have been having sex with blind eyes turned for several years by that point.

I didn't say a 16 year old was an innocent virgin. I said it was grim for a 19 year old to pick up a 16 year old in a taxi queue to take home to have sex with. It isn't sexist as I would say the same about a 19 year old doing the same to a boy.

MN is so quick to point out sexism assuming people would feel differently if the sexes were reversed, when it isn't the case.

A 16 year old and 19 year old in a relationship is different. I don't think it's fine and dandy for 16 years old to have ONS with strangers they don't know from Adam for many reasons. I'm pretty sure no one here would like their 16 year old child going back to a strangers for sex.

Anyway, I have said this a few times now and I'm just going around in circles.

Re 15/16 police Scotland have said that while technically illegal they have no interest in prosecuting 16yos in consenting relationships with -5yos. Just a note.

And as for the appallingly naemed only victim was him, even the judge in this case acknowledged the law is thee sometimes to protect children from THEMSELF whether they like it or not.

How awful to think a child should not be protected just because they do not look like a child. Or because negative life experiences have left them acting in atypical ways.

And you're such a coward you even changed name to hide while you post your victim blaming ill informed shite.

Why shouldn't it be investigated that 19 year old teenagers are raping 12 year old girls? This is seriously wrong and needs investigating.
This particular 19 year old has been investigated.
Are you suggesting that the circumstances that lead to this 12 year old being out partying at 4am shouldn't be investigated? Surely there is a safeguarding issue here?

A guy meets up with a girl via Tinder, lets say for safety sake he asks to see her ID, she shows him and it says shes 16. They have sex, the girls parents find out, report him to the police because shes not actually 16. He ends up branded a criminal and she ends up branded a victim despite him taking all reasonable measures and her being a willing participant simply because of arbitrary numbers in the law.

Well he's taking a massive risk by picking up women for sex off tinder. Just like the women are taking a risk that he may be an axe murderer or have an sti or something. Many people get back through their whole lives without having sex with anyone via Tinder, those who choose to well it's up to them but they are taking a variety of risks.

If I was working in Tesco and served someone who looked 19 but was actually 15 with a can of beer I'd be prosecuted. This seems rather more serious to me.

Thank you smile

I dont think we will ever find out the answer unfortunately