To think the result of this rape trial is disgusting

[joystir59]

Man gets off completely Scot=free for raping a 12 year old girl, and that this result gives such a wrong message to men, in a world in which girls are never considered too young anyway. I'm enraged!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39305042

[Annahibiscuits]

What we need, is for men to not get so drunk they can't tell if the girl they are fucking, is a child. AND to actually care if they are fucking children

[RufusTheRenegadeReindeer]

There is nothing in the report to say she did either

And lass pointed people to a link saying that it was chatter in the car

I dont see anything worng with the phrase young lady or young man when refering to children. Have heard it numerous times from teachers etc

But if i have used the wrong term for the child concerned then my apologies

[LouisevilleLlama]

But this is just going off an a tangent as I think we all know that if you're having casual sex each person should look after their own contraception, and is going away from the point as I think it's pretty obvious I wasn't talking about exclusively casual sex the point was men shouldn't have to believe, and women shouldn't always be presumed to be lying and at what point does it stop that this should be presumed? I know this isn't the feminism board but that doesn't seem very feminist or equal and would be a major step back and assuming a woman is always lying seems to be pretty abusive

[Moussemoose]

Rather than give everyone 'sex available' ID cards we could help individuals like this young girl so she doesn't feel this is a good option. We need to support her to make life decisions that will benefit her in the long term.

[TheFallenMadonna]

This case is about casual sex. Sex within only a couple of hours of meeting I think. I don't think it'should outrageous to suggest that sex with a stranger might carry some risks, and it would be prudent to at least consider them beforehand.

[funnylikeaclown]

Its interesting that it doesnt appear that the young lady concerned did tell the accused that she was 16

There is nothing in the report to say she did not tell him.

Weird use of the term 'young lady' given the context.

[RufusTheRenegadeReindeer]

And mrsdusty explained how it came about

[Anon1234567890]

This thread is just going further and further down the rabbit hole.

Women should now have to carry ID cards to prove that are allowed to have sex. Men should not trust women when they say something.
Its like feminism is going back to the dark ages.

[RufusTheRenegadeReindeer]

Excellent

So 2 posts in 1400

[Moussemoose]

Elendon & Annahibiscuits

I have done nothing but express profound concern for the girl. I have done nothing but express that this is a really heartbreaking situation. I have tried to point out that to prevent this type of incident happening again we need to fund and support the professionals on the ground actually working to help vulnerable girls like this. I think apportioning blame and seeking vengeance helps no one.

Clearly these views mean I should not work in a safeguarding capacity

[LouisevilleLlama]

I can't be arsed to read about 1400 posts but someone did say about it and I saw someone else say they wouldn't mind it if it meant these things didn't happen

[TheFallenMadonna]

See my correction.

[TheFallenMadonna]

So, if a man trusts a woman he has just met regarding contraception, and she gets pregnant, what do you think should happen? Should he be absolved of responsibility? If not, then clearly it is best for him to make the pretty atraightforward decision to use a condom.

[LouisevilleLlama]

Ok so you believe a man married to his wife 10 years shouldn't believe his wife that she's on the birth control that they mutually decide to use?

[RufusTheRenegadeReindeer]

Its interesting that it doesnt appear that the young lady concerned did tell the accused that she was 16

As the threads have been full of 'she lied' and 'she told him she was 16'

I am now waiting for the reams of apologetic posters saying that their minds have been changed

[MrsDustyBusty]

I don't see what else this guy could have done if she did indeed look older

He did have the option of not having sex unless he was actually sure of her age. That option does exist for men.

I've seen posts about women carrying cards to say they're of legal age to have sex essentially

From people who are wringing their hands at the Sisyphean task of determining whether someone is an appropriate sexual partner, nobody suggested this as a solution.

[TheFallenMadonna]

Sorry, a woman he is having casual sex with. That he has just met.

[LouisevilleLlama]

So men should assume all women are liars until proven otherwise, seems healthy

[TheFallenMadonna]

And I definitely think a man shouldn't trust a woman he is having sex with if she says she is using birth control. I would like to think men could take responsibility for that themselves too.

[TheFallenMadonna]

He could have considered that she might be lying and have decided not to risk it.

[LouisevilleLlama]

First of it's sad and disgraceful what this girl has been through, but ice read some posts of both threads and If we accept casual sex is ok (has been the mantra of feminism I believe for a long time to dispel the women as sluts thing and it takes two to tango) I don't see what else this guy could have done if she did indeed look older, was out at a time you would reasonably believe an underage girl to be out etc.

I've seen posts about women carrying cards to say they're of legal age to have sex essentially, well isn't that just ID that could be faked? So it wouldn't be anymore helpful, and it will then just spread the notion that women can't be trusted, what else should women not be believed on that they're on birth control? Maybe have a paternity test as part of pregnancy?

This is a whole fucked up situation with sadly not many solutions

[Elendon]

I work in a profession that requires safeguarding though. I have to do this on an annual basis.

[funnylikeaclown]

Wow funny, it's just dawned on me, you think they are EQUALLY victims, don't you??
I don't see any need to portion out my concern

[Elendon]

Take it up with Lass

Mousse

She's the lawyer who provided the links. (As you well know).

[Annahibiscuits]

mousse I seriously hope you don't work in a safeguarding capacity