To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

Yes - racists exist - and I'm sure you'll find a few in Scotland - but there are lots in England - many supported BNP and EDL and now it's 'more acceptable face' - UKIP. While not all UKIP supporters are racist, it is the party where racists are comfortably drawn to.

However, the majority of Scots and English are not racist, and live side by side in each other's countries. Never have my husband or sons been racially abused by Scots - nor have I been racially abused by the English. Light banter both ways is all.

Football teams supported draws a lot more comment though..........

"a vote for yes is a vote for death"
Seeing as no Yes voters/SNP have declared they wish to kill/impose any sort of violence upon No voters/anybody, I can only assume, given what you have previously said, is that you think that disgruntled No voters will resort to deadly violence against Yes voters if any referendum vote doesnt go their way (which is probably in keeping with Unionist history). Or you could be speaking a load of shite.

When you take what I said out of context completely of course it sounds bat shit crazy.

My point is that at no time in history has the dissolving of a country (other than with very high support or orchestrated by governments without the involvement of divisive campaigns and referenda) been without violent conflict.

I have made comparison to divisive campaigning that took place before Yugoslavia was dissolved.

I am just saying that it is unlikely to end well.

I was very clear that it would effect every family in Scotland if this was the case.

How the hell you have translated that as death to yes voters I have no idea... It would be death all round.

And yes I think Nicolas style is a recipe for war and I think voting yes is voting for that.

And yes you will note that it is deeply embedded in unionist history. It doesn't make it OK, but it is likely.

breaking up a country on a narrow majority would be dangerous.

breaking up a country on a narrow majority would be dangerous

We've just broken up a Union on a narrow majority. What's the difference?

When you take what I said out of context completely of course it sounds bat shit crazy

The context doesn't make a lot of difference. Sorry.

Ego the vote was to leave a trading union of which we had only been members for 40 years. I voted remain and I can see the difference. There is no comparison.

It suits the SNP to conflate the 2 in the way you are doing despite the fact apparently 46% of SNP voters voted leave.

Sorry about typos folks, I have a crappy old smartphone and the predictive texting goes a bit wonky sometimes. No sarcasm at all intended Lass - quite the opposite. Genuine question: how do we stop the forthcoming debate from turning nasty? It is an important debate, we need to listen to each other and really think through our differences respectfully and in detail. There will always be some folks out there who can't/don't want to keep things civil. How do we cope with that?

Oh and Ego. The EU has not been broken up.

Personally i dont recognise this Scotland thats being portrayed full of English hating people. My dbil is English, moved here and has never been racially abused. There will be a percentage of racist people, as there is in England (as proven by most anti Scottish article commentators in the DM). I get rather annoyed at constant accusations that since Im SNP member and pro indy Im therefore racist/fascist/deluded/stupid/right or left wing Nazi (depending upon whether its Labour or Tory voters making the accusation).

thegruffalowswife
comparing the drive for Scottish independence to the situation in a Yugoslavia is bizarre in the extreme. Polite inquiry - how familiar are you are with the political, cultural and historical backdrop to the situation in Scotland - and how familiar are you with the current situation in Scotland?

Justnowords did my post read like that?

We've just broken up a Union on a narrow majority. What's the difference?

The UK is a 310 year old union.
The EU is a 24 year old union.

BIG DIFFERENCE

breaking up a country on a narrow majority would be dangerous

We've just broken up a Union on a narrow majority. What's the difference?

one is a 40yo trading union one is a 300yo country

huge difference

one is a 300yo country

Is it one country or a Union of countries?

It's always seemed to be to be separate countries with separate identities. Scotland and Wales are very different to England.

Are we British? English, Scottish etc?

comparing the drive for Scottish independence to the situation in a Yugoslavia is bizarre in the extreme. Polite inquiry - how familiar are you are with the political, cultural and historical backdrop to the situation in Scotland - and how familiar are you with the current situation in Scotland?

very

No, your post just reads like what im saying, there are racist/bogotted idiots everywhere unfortunately. But it has been inferred elsewhere that SNP/Scottish independence voters were racist etc.

social attitude surveys consistently show that we are not that different

gruffalow - so I take from your answer you are no more than an 'armchair enthusiast'

social attitude surveys consistently show that we are not that different

How come Scottish Conservatives aren't doing very well but the Conservatives are doing well in England?

social attitude surveys show we are not that different
Oh please .........voting patterns show the differences to be very significant indeed

Ok. Glad of that.

I was always embarrassed to mention these ( rare) events. But I'll no longer let it pass that the white settler mentality doesn't exist. It may not be overt in some circles but it's there. I prefer the bluntness of the shop assistant to the snide middle class ways tbh!

Tap is right. Scotland has been further to the left than England on economic policy for decades. Social issues it really depends where you are sampling ( Lewis versus the Central Belt for example)

It is an important debate, we need to listen to each other and really think through our differences respectfully and in detail

Nothing you or Sturgeon say will change my mind. You have no arguments that are new beyond Brexit which itself is being cynically manipulated and conflated by the SNP. I'm not sure how our differences can be possibly be reconciled.

As far as I am concerned Scotland being out of the UK is far worse than the UK being out of the EU.

Scotland joining the end of an orderly queue to apply to rejoin an EU without the UK is no less unattractive.

How come Scottish Conservatives aren't doing very well but the Conservatives are doing well in England?

The Scottish Conservatives are the official opposition party at Holyrood.

Its all equally wrong, but I honestly believe its perpetrated by a small section of society and not huge swathes as some posters would have you believe.

There is 1 Tory MP in Scotland - good luck with the 'opposition'