To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

I haven't seen anyone call all snp supporters fascists but...

I have asked people to take a good look at what they are supporting.

It is very much my view that the SNP are a group of fascist/Anti english racists and IRA supporters. in the past the leader Arthur Donaldson and their favourite poet Mcdermid have been Nazi supporters who wished to set up a quisling government. This is fact.

I have family members who thrive on untainted scottishness, have been very racist and have friendship networks linked to the snp.

I have posted several articles to support my view. Please feel free to read more about it. It is not at all far fetched.

I am hoping people will look in to it and see sense.

The SNP have been a hive of energy and are a bit like a cult. it would be easy to get swept up in it.

The Scottish Conservatives are the official opposition party at Holyrood. That doesnt meant they are doing well, it justs means that Labour were even more spectacularly shite than Conservative.

I actually haven't made my mind up yet Lass. I am thinking about finding out about the independence case as I think I may be minded that way. But its a huge decision and I am not sure yet. So I am interested to hear what you and others have to say and I will keep reading and thinking.

I am not an SNP supporter, although I think NS has handled herself well and have respect for her position. I am not trying to convert anyone because I don't have a clear position yet myself! I am sorry if I gave you that impression.

Well it's official now (by your own toxic presentation of bile) - you are stark raving mad.

Agreed on that.

My post above to justnowords.

...,,,,,,And that was directed at Gruffalow - totally barking mad

Thank you Tapandgo

Thanks Ocelot

One last point on the white settler thing. I think that the misuse of "colony" by the SNP could be interpreted as a dog whistle to that minority.

although I think NS has handled herself well and have respect for her position

I think she is a monomaniacial and egotistical. I do not believe she has the best interests of Scotland in mind. I have no respect for her , she has conducted herself with vanity and opportunism.

yes apparently we are out and about colonising the feck out of everything.

the hideous fact is that we did not colonise Scotland scotlan joined us after finding themselves flat broke after the darien scheme when they had failed attempts at colonising other places.

after that all turned to shit they joined us merrily becoming slave masters (particularly noticeable in Jamaica where half of slave masters were Scottish). Lots of Scottish institutions were built on the back of slavery and selling the sugar, tobacco and cotton through access to the English colonies after union. Even Robert burns was considering it before he decided to stick to the poetry.

It takes the bloody piss this colonising bullshit.

Sorry went off on one there. Should have said it is the pot calling the kettle black. It would have been less emotionally charged.

There we will have to differ Lass. I thought that about Salmond but not NS. I first started following her career in the late 1990s when I was reporting in Scotland and was always quietly impressed with her diligence and willingness to carefully research her subject. She didn't do flashy, she did substance. Although I did not always agree with her points personally, I think she is one of the most competent politicians of our time. Does that involve some political strategies as well as well meaning intentions? Of course - that is what politicians do. SNP is very well organised and cleverly run - shame I can't say the same about my own party (Labour) right now.

Social attitudes are the same whatever Nicola spouts

please google this guardian article. Yes the most left leaning newspaper in the UK can't even tell the difference in the social attitudes survey of England wales and Scotland.

"Three things the latest British Social Attitudes survey tells us about Scotland"

It is all bollocks stirred up by sturgeon and the holier than thou snp.

Voting is only different because we are told it should be...

"SNP is very well organised and cleverly run"

and sinister

Gruffalow as I mentioned earlier, the main political difference north and south of the border is on economic policy, not nec social attitudes. Scots tend to be much more in favour of more public services paid for by taxes - the common weal, so to speak. Although of course there are some groups within Scotland who don't fit in that box, including many wealthy landowners. The difference when I moved from reporting on Holyrood to Westminster was really marked. The political 'centre of gravity' is just very different

Ok ocelot. But if the wealthy don't like you raising taxes and move away... what is the difference. The only difference is you have less tax revenue. Lower taxes=more wealthy people=more jobs= more tax revenue=healthier economy

Voting is only different because we are told it should be... What on earth are you on about. Voting is different because people in Scotland and England vote for different things, as clearly demonstrated in the last election. I know you'd like to ban SNP and force these voters to vote for one of the parties you consider 'acceptable'/deny them a free vote but in the real world thats not how democracy works. You really are deluded/unhinged. Luckily for the no side, I know that you are the exception to the rule and that most unionist voters are fairly normal. Just for the record can you please clarify that you are definitely pro-Union troll and not a Pro-independence troll as suggested by someone upthread.

Enough wealthy people have buggered off already.

I dont find organisation a bad trait in a political party, any more than it would be a 'sinister' sign in a commercial company. It depends what values that organisation serves - I can see that the SNP troubles you and you have the right to hold and express that opinion.

I have found myself impressed as SNP MPs provide the opposition, time and time again, whilst my own party just fail to get it together miserably. I have to hand it to them - they are shit hot debaters in the chamber.

Ruth is not bad either. It suits me that kezia is weak and Corbyn is a shambles. I am hoping unionists will have one obvious party to vote for so our vote is less divided. It is obvious that this is the conservatives at the moment.

Shame really and very strange to be saying it too. You know how much of a mess labur are in when unionists in scotland are having to vote conservative.

The differences in social attitudes are not even enormous on taxation

2. Scotland is a little more left-wing, but not a lot
Likewise, around questions of tax and spend, there were some discernible differences, but not as huge as some of the political narratives around Scots’ naturally more egalitarian character might suggest.
Most notably, 6.8% of English and Welsh voters thought that the government should reduce taxes and spend less on the public sector, while 4.7% of Scots agreed with this.
Just over half (52%) of voters in England and Wales wanted levels of taxation and spending to remain the same, compared with 47.7% in Scotland, while 36.4% of voters in England and Wales wanted tax and spending to rise, alongside 43.8% of Scots.
But, again, Ormston urges caution: “We often paint ourselves as much more socially democratic and left-wing than the data shows that we are.”
What the surveys have shown is that Scottish attitude shifts have followed those in England - though not quite as sharply - with movement to the right during the Blair years followed by a slight but noticeable shift to the left post-2010.

Above is a section from the guardian article mentioned upthread.

Just looked at the baby boxes, the idea there's a mattress and baby can sleep in them is a good idea. I don't think they do the £500 Surestart grant anymore, I could be wrong ofcourse.

You get it rather nice in every country except England, free prescriptions, I believe in some nations free University, whilst the English are billed will £9000 of debt. I guess the motivation is to get more people into education. I don't know.

I don't dwell in Scotland so I fear I have no right to comment on whether you should leave or stay. I'm a remainer Brexit wise. I think we've been duped, or the people that believed in leave duped. I don't think even the Government really know what's going on!