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To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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user1481215005 · 13/03/2017 16:21

Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/03/2017 14:40

The UK is not 'a country

I genuinely wonder why folk post things like this, when it's so obviously and provably wrong. While everyone's entitled to their own opinion, they're not entitled to their own facts

United Nations list of countries below, for anyone still in doubt:

unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 14:52

Do you think your British passport will be invalid in an independent Scotland Lass?

I don't know. I have asked the question. I asked it in 2014 and I got an answer from an Msp avoiding the question but telling me I will have a Scottish passport.

I got an answer from you, which you now apparently concede you have no basis for making.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 14:55

UK and England are interchangeable for much of the world. Scottish passport holders are going to have a lot of fun trying to get into some far flung country with their tartan passport
I don't have a vote in the Indep Ref and if I did then I would vote no
However some of the comments like this one make me 
Scotland is a country. I am proud to be Scottish. It's that simple

The comment about passports is true in my experience.

Nyx · 19/03/2017 14:58

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39321008

Looks like Scotland is beginning to look and feel like an independent country already...

ny20005 · 19/03/2017 15:02

What comment about passports lass ? The only mention of passports in that highlighted post is about Scottish passports which don't exist at the moment

What experience are you talking about ?

Thegruffalowswife · 19/03/2017 15:05

Separating a country after 300 years to my knowledge has never happened without deaths.

Yes deaths, that is what you are voting for if you vote yes in my opinion. If I am wrong then great, but I doubt it.

Give me an example of peceful separation of a country after 3 centuries and I will no longer believe this.

Calyx72 · 19/03/2017 15:06

Lass your 'answer' from me was a remark that there is no talk about compulsory Scottish passports. I don't see how I can have a 'basis' for that as I can't find anything which is mooting compulsory Scottish passports.

I will try to refrain from posting further (but will keep reading just because I can't look away)

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 15:07

What comment about passports lass ? The only mention of passports in that highlighted post is about Scottish passports which don't exist at the moment

What experience are you talking about ?

My experience of being abroad where many, many people have absolutely no idea that Scotland is of any importance whatsoever.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 15:09

Lass your 'answer' from me was a remark that there is no talk about compulsory Scottish passports. I don't see how I can have a 'basis' for that as I can't find anything which is mooting compulsory Scottish passports

The issue of nationality is just one of the many points Nats don't consider.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 15:09

Quite odd really for a party with "National " in its name.

ny20005 · 19/03/2017 15:15

Lass, I'm not sure what you mean? Scotland is only important to people from there, same as England is to English people

Nyx · 19/03/2017 15:20

Gruff, who will be doing the killing?

OddBoots · 19/03/2017 15:20

"My experience of being abroad where many, many people have absolutely no idea that Scotland is of any importance whatsoever."

Very few people think of any country as being particularly important if it's not their own country. Look at the number of people who don't understand the difference between The Netherlands and Holland and the number of people who think 'so what!' when it is explained.

Thegruffalowswife · 19/03/2017 15:22

These things always get nasty and it will effect every family. Please give me an example to change my view.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 15:23

The passport comments were in response to some one who said having a Scottish passport would be better than a British passport. I asked why and commented that it is far more likely to be the other way round. A British passport is recognisable.

Thegruffalowswife · 19/03/2017 15:27

*Separating a country after 300 years to my knowledge has never happened without deaths.

Yes deaths, that is what you are voting for if you vote yes in my opinion. If I am wrong then great, but I doubt it.

Give me an example of peceful separation of a country after 3 centuries and I will no longer believe this.*

Someone asked who would kill. I said that these things always get nasty and reiterated my request for an example

Thegruffalowswife · 19/03/2017 15:29

I thino it is dangerous to walk into this without considering it as a possibility. A possibility that would be damaging to every family in scotland

BloodyEatSomething · 19/03/2017 15:32

This thread seems to have descended quickly, but to answer the original op from a northern england perspective, 'England' is not a homogenous country much more than 'UK' is.

Plenty of northern english people have sympathy with the notion that the current government is far too London-centric. Many think that the rest of the country matters and its needs have been systematically ignored by the British government for far too long. Our problem is not the Scots, any more than it is single mothers, the disabled, or the poorest on ZHCs. It is all of those, principally southerners, who keep voting for and supporting this disgustingly hypocritical self-serving greed-obsessed political establishment.

Too answer the pps who rolled out the old claim that London has to be central because it bankrolls the rest of the country: it's the other way around, all resources have been sucked down there. Further how long do you really think London could survive on its own without the food, water and energy supplied by the rest of the country? Don't talk wet (or do, rather).

It is the long term refusal of our political establishment to recognise that the whole country contributes, along with it's willingness to for e London's 'rights' to exploit the rest of us, that has created this disaffection in the rest of the country, not the Scots.

Nyx · 19/03/2017 15:34

You have avoided the question.

Norway and Sweden dissolved their union after a referendum in 1905.

Apparently lots of brexiters in England want to be independent of Scotland too.

derxa · 19/03/2017 15:36

My experience of being abroad where many, many people have absolutely no idea that Scotland is of any importance whatsoever. Really? Who cares what these many, many people think. Scotland is important to me and my family.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/03/2017 15:42

Apparently lots of brexiters in England want to be independent of Scotland too.

Any proof of that?

bathshebaneverdene · 19/03/2017 15:46

NYC - I find that BBC report on Guto Bebb's feelings about Edinburgh really distressing. He was meeting with the devolved govt, so the Scottish gvt is already behaving like an independent gvt. How bloody dare they.

bathshebaneverdene · 19/03/2017 15:48

NYC again - the referendum dissolving the union between Norway and Sweden had an almost 100% majority. If a Scottish Indy ref had that sort of majority there would be no problem. But it won't. That's why I think that another ref should require a majority of at least 66% of the total number of registered voters. So it doesn't rip the country apart.

bathshebaneverdene · 19/03/2017 15:49

Not NYC - NYK, apologies

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