To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

The "45" campaign was up and running the same day

Indeed; in fact here's an article from only a few days after the vote - as PPs have said, do folk really think we have no ability to remember at all? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/we-are-the-45-per-cent-is-the-new-scottish-independence-campaign-on-twitter-and-facebook-9746674.html

Ironic, too, that even after what's happened, still the polls suggest that the majority would either prefer there to be no second vote at all, or would vote to remain if there was

Ok nyx... I would say that I am sorry, but the reality is I no longer care for people willing to destroy my country. I will never forgive them and I know I am not alone. I hope for your sake though that if you fail in your attempts to destroy the country

I feel exactly the same. If Yes win I cannot see how I will be able to be magnanimous towards them.

I fear Westminster will not have the time or the energy, with Brexit ongoing, to launch an effective 'No' campaign, however the SNP will put their heart and soul into the 'Yes' campaign

I take some comfort from TM's firm not now that she has this in mind too. And hopefully Labour will have replaced Corbyn with a leader who will join a new Better Together campaign.

If you think my sentiment is horrible. Just wait until the 50 + mil people in england plus the union supporters of scotland and the other devolved nations get a say.

The grandiose posturing and "little britain" soundbites will get you nowhere then.

I have as much interest in your opinions as those of isis.

Most of us want to keep a united kingdom and we welcome the Scots within that. I don't think May should give the go ahead for a referendum. I would leave it for 20 years if I were she until Brexit has settled down.

I agree

And people say independence supporters are nasty online. I am only seeing spite and nastiness from Unionists on these threads. Yessers and Isis in the same sentence. Really.

Bloody hell Gruff, equating yes and isis? Where did isis come from in this conversation?

I was nice last time. I hate them now sorry.

Horrible

Reading the Brexit and Westminster threads. Unionists are calling Scotref a 'get out of jail free' card Gruffalo, also saying they regret it but wouldn't want to pull Scotland off a cliff edge so save yourselves type thing.

You don't speak for all Unionists thank goodness.

I know many who feel the same.

Successfully pushed to the edge last time.

Lambasted for not being scottish enough

I don't see any particular need to call out Gruff. She did not say she hated Nyx. She said she would hate Yes voters if Yes won.

I cannot see how I would be able to show any magnanimity to Yes voters if that happens. You will have voted to destroy my country.

I do not recall any agitation for a second vote right away like you are describing

I assume Nyx must have been hospitalised and in a coma at the time to be able to write that.

It started immediately. The dreadful "45" campaign was up and running the same day.

There was appalling analysis of the age demographics of No voters including talk of "coffin dodgers" betraying the young (although the Nats misjudged the enthusiasm of the 16-18 block)

You would be surprised the anger you are stoking.

I saw the delightful "coffin dodgers" phrase being used by a young relative of my husband's and therefore effectively using the term to describe their own grandmother.

The 45 campaign was to ' keep the dream alive' Not lobbying for a second vote right away. Almost half of Scotland voted yes.

And I can't see an effective No campaign this time either because there are very few arguments for the union which brexit hasn't smashed to pieces.

The UK isn't 'a country'.

She said she would dance on her grave which is frankly vile.

I find Gruffalo's posts threatening. That is why I am calling them out.

I don't see any particular need to call out Gruff

Neither do I, but then isn't this what often happens when a poster brings up inconvenient truths; unable to refute them, except with claims which can instantly be proved false, some revert instead to "waaaahhhh - they've been nasty to me"

I don't like that phrase however plenty of Nats said it about Thatcher.

And I can't see an effective No campaign this time either because there are very few arguments for the union which brexit hasn't smashed to pieces

That makes no sense. Brexit makes the argument for keeping the Union stronger.

Maybe for England but not for Scotland.

And they are vile too. Doesnt make it ok.

"Neither do I, but then isn't this what often happens when a poster brings up inconvenient truths; unable to refute them, except with claims which can instantly be proved false, some revert instead to "waaaahhhh - they've been nasty "
What inconvenient truths?