To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

It was a different currency before, just pegged, ie, its value was set by the Irish gvt by reference to the value of another currency, sterling.

Until the 70s this was quite normal. Many currencies were pegged. That didn't make them 'not currencies'.

Well we dont know because the other 30 odd % didnt vote. So no vote either way you cant lump them in to the same camp that voted to leave because they didnt vote.

I genuinely wonder if Londoners will campaign for independence and to remain.

I'm with Toad, I wish this whole thing could be dealt with with dignity and diplomacy. But it's not looking that way, is it?

Re: comments about fascists. Can we maybe remember that there are people in the world who have lived and are living under real fascist regimes in which saying the wrong thing means you get put up against a wall and shot? Undoubtedly there are stupid, narrow minded, racist cunts in both the Yes and No camps who bring those beliefs into their voting processes. I'm pretty sure there are as man Orange Lodge bigots in the No camp as there are IRA sympathisers in the Yes camp. Speaking as a Catholic, part Irish Scot who voted No.

But we are not in danger based on what we say or how we vote so get a fucking grip.

I genuinely wonder if Londoners will campaign for independence and to remain.

While London certainly bankrolls the rest of the country, I don't believe London feels otherwise separate from the rest of the UK.

YY agentcooper

To try to stay in the EU.

Isn't that the main motivation behind seeking a 2nd referendum in scotland?

While London certainly bankrolls the rest of the country

That may change after Brexit...

I can't speak for the whole of Wales but nobody i know gives a toss what Scotland does.

Would you care if it stirred up enough crazies that Wales left the uk as well?

It's not about money or the economy.. Even though Bill Clinton said "it's the economy stupid" .. This is a matter of the heart. It is about identity and a sense of who Scots think and believe they are.

Scots want to leave the UK for the same heartfelt reasons the UK wanted to leave the EU. I feel TM is making a big mistake here. Indeed she is inconsistent to argue Scotland is better of as part of the UK then say Brexit means Brexit.

I was recently back in the UK and was amazed at just how different London is to areas outside it, and how rapidly it is changing. It reminded me of Singapore compared to Malaysia.

This is a matter of the heart. It is about identity and a sense of who Scots think and believe they are

You display a profound lack of imagination if you think No voters aren't speaking from the heart.

I think Nicola Sturgeon appears on the verge of a genuine breakdown. She's obsessed. Manic. As a result I think she will do more harm than good.

I'm English. I want Scotland to stay despite my bitterness at their free prescriptions and free university fees.

Maybe (and I never thought I'd ever agree with Gordon Brown) but maybe the Federal idea could be the way to go.

My FB feed is awash with T May being a massive hypocrite because of opposing indy but overseeing brexit. I don't get it. May campaigned for remain but her job is to action the result of the brexit vote. How is she a hypocrite?

I was born in Scotland and grew up there and moved the England when I met DH. feel far more welcome here than DH feels up there, TBH. Eyemouth was mentioned up-thread and yes I know the place and know how the person feels. I kind of feel, good luck to them if they want to go, I don't miss it to be honest. With NS, she obviously doesn't care about the Uk as a whole and think they will get a shock if they have to go it alone without the subsidies from England. The free prescriptions, uni, etc will be not so easy to manage then will it.

In England you gain your nationality through your father

? I don't think the British nationality rules are that sexist. If DH weren't British ds still could be because I am. I've never heard this before.

Of course it's messy with Scotland because how do you define someone who is Scottish? Someone who was born there? Someone with two Scottish parents? With one Scottish parent? With one Scottish grandparent? Someone who has lived there for over x time? That's why with the last indyref they said you had to live in Scotland to vote, it's the easiest way (though I understand why you'd be annoyed if you didn't get to vote). But as there is currently no such thing as a Scottish passport there's no other way and it would simply take too long to verify who qualified.

In England you gain your nationality through your father

That's bollocks. Aside from the fact "English " isn't a nationality. The UK nationality rules apply to the UK.

The nationality rules are on the passport forms. The law changed in 1982.
Yes for now the nationality rules are for the UK. But if there is a separation...

Some of my family were born abroad. Due to fathers being active servicemen. Doesn't mean they are German though or Cypriots. Nationality to me is through your parents, your culture where you feel you belong. It's not always possible to live there - some jobs require you to work elsewhere but that doesn't stop you being that nationality I don't think.

It depends entirely on what constraints the UK and Scotland decided to put in their citizenship.

One of my grandparents was born in NZ but left before WW2 to live and work in the UK as was his right as a British subject, and he never returned.

After 1945 the UK and NZ both brought in their own citizenships and granted them on the basis of residence. DG, in consequence, got UK citizenship but never got NZ citizenship although he was born there.

(British subject status got stripped of its rights in the meantime).

Whisky2014
Why cant you lump them all together? NS is claiming that a majority of Scottish people want to stay in the EU. That just isn't true, a majority want to leave / cant give a V.I.P.OO to the EU.

There are quite complicated arrangements re citizenship - it's not enough to live here. I only know as I have to give DH s passport number to prove my DH is a British citizen for my children's passports as he was born abroad.

Shes right because it was the majority verdict of the people that voted. And thats what counts. Stop trolling and being a pedant. Its annoying

To try to stay in the EU ... Isn't that the main motivation behind seeking a 2nd referendum in Scotland?

Well, they're on a hiding to nothing if it is, since another vote to stay in the UK would see Scotland leaving the EU, as would a vote for independence (at least in as much that they'd have to reapply)

Or do the independence-at-all-costs contingent seriously imagine they can dictate to the EU as well?

Better to be independent & reapply (if that's required) than to be out of Europe & still under Westminster rule & hard brexit