To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

I hope that Scotland votes to remain the UK, but if it does opt for independence I hope there will be no attempt to "punish" Scotland.

Just like the infantile EU talk of "punishing" the UK.

The decision should be respected and the politicians should behave responsibly and negotiate an arrangement that suits both countries best.

That's because it's fair, and also because we still have to get along with each other.

I hope there will be no attempt to "punish" Scotland.
That will depend on how the EU divorce goes, if that is sensible it will be likely we will be able to be sensible but if not...

However I challenge the SNP assumption that North Sea oil is theirs. It belongs to the UK and we will have to split it up fairly, probably by head of population.

Anon scots were a majoity to remain 62% voted to remain

This is quite an interesting map:
medium.com/@jakeybob/brexit-maps-d70caab7315e#.sk7i1qfu3

However I challenge the SNP assumption that North Sea oil is theirs. It belongs to the UK and we will have to split it up fairly, probably by head of population.

That would be a very unusual way of doing it.

"There is a presumption that the median line extending from the boundary between Scotland and England just north of Berwick into the North Sea would form the basis of negotiations. The median has been employed in the past in negotiations between the UK government and other governments with continental shelves extending into the North Sea. Importantly, the median line is also currently employed for purposes of the demarcation of Fisheries Management responsibilities between the Scottish and UK governments. This line has been employed below in the modelling of the possible division of revenues"

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmenergy/writev/1912/sco16.htm

Its not really an assumption. Scotland would get the oil. It's just as clear cut as the question as to whether Scotland would be entitled to a cutrency union (ie, it wouldn't).

These things were done to death in the 2014 referendum.

Sterlingisation...thats gona be the word for the next 1.5 years.

Yup. Scotland can use sterling if it chooses, or peg its own currency to it (leaving aside the EU entry problems that will create).

Whisky2014 Their was nearly 4 million people in the Scottish electorate, only 1.6 million voted to remain in the European Union. So only 42% of the Scottish Electorate voted remain. FACT. Can you not do the math?

To answer the OP, the Tory government don't want the Union to break up because, historically they have always been a strong pro-Union party. The clue's in the name and Teresa May said it yesterday at the Tony party conference in her speech: 'We are the Conservative and Unionist Party.'

Historically the Liberal and Labour parties were far keener on Irish Home Rule. But never the Conservative and Unionist Party.

There is a presumption that the median line extending from the boundary between Scotland and England just north of Berwick into the North Sea would form the basis of negotiations.

Well that presumption could be wrong. As I am constantly told "past performance is no guarantee of future results"

Piglet - you said why would rUK agree to iScot keeping the pound !

Lass - Ireland kept the pound when the became independent, only took the euro in 2002 & joined EU in 1973 !

Well that presumption could be wrong. As I am constantly told "past performance is no guarantee of future results"

That presumption came from the UK (not the Scottish) government and is based on international law.

Re the fascist comments. I have never forgotten an incident which occurred immediately after the result of the last Scottish referendum, but which didn't get much coverage.

A press conference was called by Alex Salmond. He barred the right wing press and tried to dictate to the others including the Guardian, which journalists were allowed in and which weren't (the Guardian didn't send any in protest). To me, it showed the mean, narrow, anti-democratic SNP in its true colours.

Ireland kept the pound when the became independent, only took the euro in 2002 & joined EU in 1973

The Irish pound was not the same as the British pound from 1979, it was called the 'punt'. A different currency.

Re the fascist comments...

Anon 67.2% of the electorate bothered their arses to vote. Its these people that you count. Not SNPs fault if the rest dont vote is it? So im not sure your point? Majority of the people who voted, voted remain. Thats the same way its spoken about for Brexit, general elections etc so im not sure why you are determined to include the folk that didnt vote?

The Irish pound was pegged to sterling for most of its existence, but yes, it was a separate currency.

I believe Ireland did use sterling for a period after independence though, but that was way, way before the Euro or EEC entry and so is irrelevant really.

Nb. After the peace settlement I believe the UK and Irish Free State did some kind of deal on trade, currency etc. The British also had a lease on some naval bases in Ireland too.

IIRC De Valera scrapped that when Ireland became a republic in 1936. The British rather unfortunately lost the use of the naval bases just in time for WW2 and the U-boat wolf packs.

I expect someone Irish can correct me if I'm wrong.

Not SNPs fault if the rest dont vote is it? So im not sure your point?
All I did was quote the fact that only 42% of the Scottish electorate voted to stay in the EU.

Which means a majority of Scotland could not give a crap/or actually wants the UK to Brexit.

The Irish pound was pegged to sterling for most of its existence
Until 1979, after that it was a completely different currency. I think Scotland would be idiots to base their economy on something from 50 years ago, before the internet even existed. Financial markets change a lot faster now.

It was a majority of the people who voted.

Anon - just to clarify it for you - Ireland kept the pound when it became independent in 1926. The Irish punt was introduced in 1928, 2 years after Ireland became independent 🙄

Whisky2014 But not a majority of the Scottish people.

ny20005 So your suggesting Scotland follow what Ireland did a century ago (when they still had the horse and cart) and you think that's a good idea? Philip Hammond will have a good laugh that he would control an independent Scotland's currency. No chance for mischief there at all lol.

I'm not suggesting anything, merely correcting the previous posters inaccuracies

Philip Hammond will have a good laugh that he would control an independent Scotland's currency

IF Scotland pegged it's currency to the GBP rUK would have have no control over it It would mean that Scots would have less control as it would shadow the GBP, but it could unpeg at any time.

Many many countries use a pegged currency - it's not an old fashioned thing no longer in use. It's a sensible way of helping to stabilise a new currency.

Well maybe keeping sterling will be feasible, I am just remembering it didn't go down to well in the last referendum debates.