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To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

755 replies

Ehsamy · 13/03/2017 11:37

or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

OP posts:
Dormouse200 · 13/03/2017 13:50

I could only leave without my husband, so no choice but to stay. I wish he would reconsider.

purits · 13/03/2017 13:50

I think you will find there was a referendum!!

No there wasn't. There was a referendum to join the Common Market (1970s), there was never a referendum for the Single Market (1990s).

Natsku · 13/03/2017 13:51

Also wondering if travelling to the UK will become more difficult/bureaucratic as I don't travel on my British passport (because its lost/stolen and I haven't been arsed to get a new one)

MrsBrew005 · 13/03/2017 13:52

Petrified and completely trapped. I love my country and I would love to see us independent of the European union, however with the tories in the driving seat, useless opposition and an unstable economy, I voted remain as I don't feel this will work out better in the close future. I really want to be wrong. I feel sad that all this is splitting up the UK. It would be awful for Scotland

MrsBrew005 · 13/03/2017 13:52

To leave us

burdog · 13/03/2017 13:53

Miserable, we've never had it so good, regardless of our circumstances. Life will get harder for everyone.

specialsubject · 13/03/2017 13:54

I'm just glad I'm not Scottish. ...

PinkFlamingo545 · 13/03/2017 13:54

Bring it on.

breakneckspeed · 13/03/2017 14:01

One last feeling. I feel incredulous that A50 is being triggered with very little attempt to bring the remainers on board.

Britain stands little chance of making a success of this, let alone having a smooth transition, if almost half the country is unconvinced IMO. It's going to be expensive and politically messy over a very long time.

Feels quite good to vent though. Thanks OP!

Jazzywazzydodah · 13/03/2017 14:03

Out of the frying pan in to the fire.

Honestly - which ever way you turn corrupt drunken leeches are all over us. But I'm kind of glad because I do think the EU was on its last legs- no one was happy with it.

The EU could have been fantastic but as usual when people are awarded a small amount of power they become detached from what actual human beings need.

I think if the EU leaders had acted differently and not had us a strangle hold we would have had a much different out come.

In reality we are fucked which ever way we turn.

Cuppaqueen · 13/03/2017 14:04

I'm completely horrified. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

The EU is not perfect, granted, but the very serious problems the UK is facing will not be solved by leaving it. In fact, I strongly believe they will be worse, due to poorer trade links, diminished influence both within the EU and global institutions, fragmentation in Scotland and NI, rampant inflation from our beleaguered pound, probable increased borrowing costs on our mountainous national debt as our economic and political stability come under question, having to pay the EU for limited access to those markets they are prepared to grant ... I could go on. All of these risks are huge. (And that's without going into the sense of loss I personally feel about my EU citizenship which I massively valued - the right to study, live and work in 27 other countries!)

And what's the reward?! What is this democratic freedom that we're buying at such a cost? Are we living in some kind of dictatorship from Brussels that I just completely missed? This isn't the solution to immigration - EU migrants were a minority of the total and a net financial gain to the UK; increasing migration from other countries has already been cited by them as a price for these elusive free trade deals. This is most definitely not a solution to globalisation and the flood of manufacturing jobs to countries with cheaper living costs and wages (outside EU for most part). This is not going to produce one extra penny for our beleaguered NHS - the government's already admitted as much! This isn't going to fix the decline of our high streets into Poundland, charity shops and bookies - that's all about the UK's own decisions on business rates and tax. This isn't going to solve tax credits being used to prop up inadequate wages. This isn't going to fix social care and pensions. Yet it's going to fixate every part of government for the next five years at least.

IT MAKES ME MAD!!!!!!!!!

We are currently living abroad (in Asia) and based on this shitshow, are making plans to return elsewhere in Europe while we still can. I do not want to come back to the UK right now - what a sad, little country it looks from the outside Sad.

Rant over. (But you did ask...)

Applebite · 13/03/2017 14:06

Whoa, my Name got angry CAPITALS from the charming delightful MyPhotos!

Your post didn't make you sound great. It was a real "I am so great, and I'll just do what suits me and lol at everyone else." That's your fault, nobody else's, photos!

How am I a Middle Englander?! I am desperately trying to pretend it's not going to happen. Or perhaps you didn't get that from my denial post. Bad luck though - I also have highly paid skills and could move.

I just wouldn't gloat about it and wish bad things on other people.

MorriH · 13/03/2017 14:08

Glad that I'm moving to NZ this year before the shit hits the fan, tbh.

But sad and disappointed for the friends I leave behind who don't have an escape option.

annandale · 13/03/2017 14:08

Purits, well, unfortunately when you say phrases like 'somewhere on the continent' I am catapulted back to my unlamented childhood in the fossilised declining years prior to the 73 referendum.

I dislike a lot of remainer rhetoric and mopping and mowing despite being a remainer myself, but that sort of talk really does make me despair. I am a patriot and want the best for the Uk or its component parts. The sooner we look realistically at this little offshore archipelago the better and demanding 'loyalty' to anything except our own consciences is the royal road to conflict.

I wish, so much, that Corbyn had been honest, come out as a Lexiter and split the Labour party last year. We might at least have some kind of opposition. I do fear the collapse of parliamentary democracy as a revolution like that will be catastrophic. At the moment I don't see how this combination of parliamentary sclerosis and unmediated rule by petition can work. If we want something else at least can we discuss what it might be before destroying our institutions.

RebelandaStunner · 13/03/2017 14:09

Well they wont be kind to us.
I voted remain but was far from happy with many things about the EU.
I think eventually we will be ok after the initial fallout. It really depends on how long that period lasts.
There are many with a lot more to lose than us mere mortals and that includes some of the EU.

DevelopingDetritus · 13/03/2017 14:10

About time, been pissing about for long enough.

RedAndYellowPeppers · 13/03/2017 14:10

Scared.
BEcause there has already been so many changes (education, NIC, tightening on benefits, the spying law, the immigration laws, inflation etc etc) that have been done and I did not vote for that I am wondering what the heck will happen after Art 50 is voted.
What is it that that government is going to do under the name of Brexit and that none of us have ever voted for?

And where is the cunning plan for Brexit??

TheWoodlander · 13/03/2017 14:11

I feel really, really shit about it. Like I'm a passenger in a car running off a cliff. I can't even be arsed talking about it anymore. I'm just going to sit and watch the SHTF. And possibly grow my own vegetables.

Applebite · 13/03/2017 14:13

On the plus side, I do know many finance and other professionals who are very confident that Brexit will turn out to be a good thing and that the EU is corrupt and past it; that it has not done anything good for hundreds of thousands of people in Greece or Spain or southern Italy, and that we are well off out of it. These people are British, American, from various parts of the ME and Japan as well as from Europe.

I don't agree with them. I have sleepless nights worrying about it. But at least they have carefully considered views, not just "Europe bad, England good" - and they might turn out to be right. Who knows, given how crazy the world is at the moment!

joystir59 · 13/03/2017 14:13

I'm a remainder who is moving north to get rid of the mortgage before shit hits the fan. We rely on my OH's income as a cargo agent. Most freight now is from EU.

ExConstance · 13/03/2017 14:14

I'm reading Ken Clarke's autobiography "Kind of Blue" at the moment. There was so much enthusiasm for Europe in previous years. I still feel very gutted about Brexit, sad and helpless. I still can't understand how my mother, who in most circumstances would do anything to help her grandchildren voted to come out when my children feel this is the single most detrimental thing she could do to trash their futures.

joystir59 · 13/03/2017 14:15

But our country will come through Brexit and survive- I do predict a tough time ahead.

MyPhotos · 13/03/2017 14:16

Applebite you sound a bit incoherent and rather cross, chill dear chill. You won, you are getting your Brexit, you really ought to celebrate not feel offended and envious that other people have more possibilities open to them. You, the Leaver, are the winner here. Rejoice even if the country crumbles around you, rejoice you chose this, not me.

Ta1kinPeace · 13/03/2017 14:17

Sick to the pit of my stomach and getting really bored at the utter lack of a plan by the Brexiters.

"it will be fine" does not translate into replacing lost jobs
The EU has its faults but they are known faults that can be worked on.

Hard Brexit is la la land set up by millionaires like Farridge who do not give a shit about poor people.

gillybeanz · 13/03/2017 14:17

About time, it's what the majority voted for, so it has to happen.
I don't agree we should even have had a referendum and didn't vote.