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To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

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Ehsamy · 13/03/2017 11:37

or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

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purits · 13/03/2017 14:18

Purits, well, unfortunately when you say phrases like 'somewhere on the continent' ...

What? I don't know where MyPhotos hails from, I thought 'somewhere on the continent' was a catch-all phrase. How else was I supposed to word it?
I think that you are reading things into my post that aren't there.

Applebite · 13/03/2017 14:18

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TheWoodlander · 13/03/2017 14:20

It might be ok....in a couple of decades.

My problem is those two decades are the ones my children will be growing up and seeking further education and work in. That's what makes me sad. I think there will be severe austerity. High prices. High unemployment. No money for education, welfare, NHS. Areas that have benefitted from EU grant money going back into further deprivation.

Deadsouls · 13/03/2017 14:23

Hmmmm I guess an underlying sadness or despondency.

Some people are so happy about it, as though article 50 will be triggered and as if by magic, some amazing transformation will take place, 'putting the Great back into Great Britain' (whatever the hell that means).

But it's happening, of that there is no doubt. So resigned to it.

UncontrolledImmigrant · 13/03/2017 14:23

Someone will be getting rich from all of this, so I guess that's alright then😐

housewifebynamenotnature · 13/03/2017 14:23

Pleased. I think it just needs to happen now.

I know a lot of Leave voters who are genuinely concerned about the strain on infrastructure. This isn't a large country and is bursting at the seams. You've heard it all before but it's a consideration people need to think about.

Whatthefoxgoingon · 13/03/2017 14:25

The poorest will bear the brunt of brexit, that's the tragic part of it. Sad

fairweathercyclist · 13/03/2017 14:25

My problem is those two decades are the ones my children will be growing up and seeking further education and work in

Exactly - my ds is 14. Goodness knows what world he's going to end up in. Fortunately we are reasonably comfortably off and can afford for him to be an eternal student for a while. But at some point he'll have to enter the world of work and I wonder whether there will be any.

If Scotland votes to leave the UK as well -we're seriously in trouble.

If you're thinking of having children right now - I wouldn't.

Deadsouls · 13/03/2017 14:25

People saying things like 'it's about time', it hasn't even started yet. This process and the ramifications will go on for years. It's not like it's all going to be done and over in a couple of years.

Topseyt · 13/03/2017 14:27

Furious but resigned to it.

It is the silliest and stupidest mistake i think this country could possibly have made. Many can see that, but like twats they are forging ahead with it anyway, virtually unopposed thanks to the fact that Labour are in such disarray with a long, wet drink of water called Corbyn as leader.

Labour should be providing an effective opposition to try and mitigate things. They are not. The LibDems talk as though they would if they could, but they are hampered by only having 9 MPs.

Since the referendum i haven't been able to shake the feeling that a large proportion of the electorate are idiots.

GinAndTunic · 13/03/2017 14:28

Sad.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 13/03/2017 14:30

I'm at the point of apathy now.

I voted Remain.

I think Brexit is stupid. I'm inherently distrustful of anything championed by UKIP and Britain First, in fairness.

I think the breezy "I can't wait, I'm so excited!" Leavers need to take their heads out of their arses and realise that we're entering an era of political and financial insecurity, not Butlins.

I think the "I'm so upset that I've sold a load of properties and am considering moving" Remainers need to take their heads out of their arses and realise that they're lucky that they can move.

Mostly I just feel... meh. Do it, get it over and done with. If it all goes swimmingly, let the Leavers gloat and feel superior for a while. If it all goes to shit, let them say it's the Remainers fault for not having a positive mental attitude and a magic fairy unicorn to make it all work out well. Either way, everyone will blame us under-25s for not voting enough/wanting the freedom to live and work in different countries/leaving the UK with our skills/staying in the UK without skills/generally being young.

Meanwhile more and more politically disaffected young people wonder what the point of voting is when all it results in is same shit, different coloured tie, all for the benefit of the rich. A year ago I would never have considered not voting. If there was an election tomorrow I'd spoil my ballot.

Applebite · 13/03/2017 14:30

Fair weather - we do have some good things. For example, if you look at the financial sector, it's just not that easy to move. People in London may well not want to relocate to much smaller cities like Dublin. Paris isn't as attractive because of the language and the law and the infrastructure. This means that London and possibly other major cities should continue to be attractive to real estate investment too.

Law itself is another one - lots of deals are done under English law because it's internationally recognised.

It's not in EU interests to cut their noses off too much either. For example, a big percentage of German cars are exported here. They're not going to want to risk that sort of thing.

Ok ok I know I'm clutching at straws but there are some factors that we can be hopeful about rather than defeatist. #pollyanna hat

Ta1kinPeace · 13/03/2017 14:31

housewife
This isn't a large country and is bursting at the seams. You've heard it all before but it's a consideration people need to think about.
If that is the case,
why is it uneconomic to run public transport in much of Hampshire, Sussex and Wiltshire?
why is there no broadband to villages just outside the M25?
Why is there no mobile phone signal in much of north Hampshire?

Its because the population densities are too low
in the home counties

Parts of the UK are crowded, others are depopulated
and most of the immigrants are young workers who keep the country going.

The immigrants that the UK has inflicted on Spain are mostly pensioners who cost their health system a fortune
health tourists in fact

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 14:31

Not feeling good about this at all op. We are moving to Washington after 23 wonderful years in London Sad. All countries have their difficulties but Brexit Britain is going to be one place to avoid for the next 10-20 years. So sad.

shovetheholly · 13/03/2017 14:33

I am (grimly) resigned.

I think it will be a car crash, with a loss of environmental regulation and workers' rights that will ultimately make everyone more miserable. I do not, however, think that this is inevitable, and I will be doing my best to protest at all erosion of the above!

However, I also feel frustration with wealthy remainers who have been able simply to ignore the way that the screws have tightened on those in the working and middle classes over the last 10 years because their incomes continued to grow and their communities weren't the ones struggling with underfunded, yet much needed services.

sweetsherry · 13/03/2017 14:35

Diminished.

CatsBatsEars · 13/03/2017 14:35

Fucked Sad

TheWoodlander · 13/03/2017 14:35

Same here fairweather - my eldest is 15 - and the future seemed so stable before. Now it's a massive "don't know" Confused

We too are comfortably off, and I'm praying that we can weather the storm - DH's job seems safe for now. But I really do feel so worried about everything else, especially the NHS. The poor, the vulnerable. I'm one of those bleeding heart types who cares.

I'm also incredibly concerned about the possibility of war breaking out - combination of brexit/Trump/Putin - with instability in the ME. Instability in Europe and the UK is the absolute last thing we need.

Leave-voters seem to think things will be better - but have yet to explain to me how.

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 14:36

"It's not in EU interests to cut their noses off too much either. For example, a big percentage of German cars are exported here." Not that old chestnut again.

Have you ever heard of supply chains? Confused Confused

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while the final assembly of each Bentley remains in Britain, the components that make up the cars are drawn from across the world and often zigzag back and forth between factories in the UK and the continent before arriving at Crewe.

That leaves Bentley’s supply chain, in common with that of almost every other car manufacturer in Britain, at risk of being hit by tariffs if Britain leaves the European single market.

Bumpers for some Bentley Bentaygas, for example, are made in Europe but then sent to Crewe for inspection before then going to Germany for specialist painting. After that, they return to the UK for final assembly.

Another example of the interconnectedness of the supply chain is a fuel injector for diesel lorries manufactured by the US component maker Delphi.

This part uses steel from Europe which is machined in the UK before going to Germany for special heat treatment. The injector is then assembled at Delphi’s UK plant in Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, before being sold on to truckmakers based in Sweden, France or Germany.

If the resulting truck is sold into the UK market, the component or materials used in it will have crossed the Channel five times before the lorry is ever driven by the customer. If tariffs are applied at each stage, the cost could be substantial.

Suppliers to the UK car industry have warned that just the uncertainty over future trade agreements may force them to relocate parts of their manufacturing process overseas.

“If you have any tariffs, you would have to fundamentally look at your whole supply chain because you could quickly end up losing your margin on the component,” said Tim Lawrence, head of manufacturing at PA Consulting."

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ImtheSantaAnaWinds · 13/03/2017 14:37

Really miserable, pissed off with all involved in the Brexit vote. Fearing for the future. I've read literally millions of words / (Inc. opposing opinions) on the subject since last year and not a single one of them has persuaded me we are headed for anything other than a very expensive disaster that will impact us for decades. Well bloody done.

TheWoodlander · 13/03/2017 14:38

God yes, and the environment

So much shit going on right now.

SugarMiceInTheRain · 13/03/2017 14:40

Really, really worried about what the future holds. Wish I was in a position to emigrate, quite frankly.

whosahappyharry · 13/03/2017 14:42

Worried. I'm another Northern Irish poster - however I'm English, only 1/4 Northern Irish and was born and spent 11 years in England so my links to be able to gain Irish citizenship if needed are do-able but very tenuous.

I work in the NHS, have a little boy and a sibling both with special needs who will both need life-long care, I live in a tiny country with current political instability which is likely to be hit extremely hard by Brexit. My family were ruined by the 2008 recession, we lost everything and I'm terrified it's going to happen again.

Yes, not feeling overly positive. But I'm resigned - it's like pulling off a plaster, just want it to be done quickly and over and done with now.

TheWoodlander · 13/03/2017 14:44

Incidentally, this has just come up on my Twitter:

Scotland reacts to Brexit

I want to keep Scotland in the UK - but I can't say I blame them if they vote out now.

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