To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

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or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

I have zero faith that this shower of incompetents can pull off Brexit. We are going to be facing expensive everything. Just look at David Davies this morning. Hasn't got a clue whether we will keep EHIC, what the actual economic effects are of crashing out without a deal, timescales needed, whether we keep passporting of financial services etc. etc. etc. etc.

We are utterly fucking screwed and if people find that EXCITING, I really need to know what the hell you've been reading that makes you so happy. Please.

*Davis

Daisy On what are you basing your 'good feeling'. Surely something as enormous as this should be based on a bit more than a hunch? David Davis has had eight months in his post and he hasn't even considered what will happen with EHIC. That doesn't exactly fill me with hope. I have heard some reasoned arguments for why we should leave the EU but a good feeling isn't one of them and neither is 'Take Back Control'.

It's Just Feelz, mm'kay?

ImtheSantaAnaWinds MsHooliesCardigan I believe without all the bureaucratic red tape and meddling, being able to forge our own trade deals worldwide, lack of billions of pounds sent to the EU each year and (I believe) there will be some kind of trade deal with the EU as it benefits all we will do better. With the UK able to make it's own laws regarding workers and employers and also a reduction in immigration that should stop wages being driven down. This government are more than aware a bad Brexit deal from Brussels will end up being paid for at the ballot box I believe they will go all out to attain just that.

I accept I could be very wrong as we simply don't know what the final agreement will be, but I do feel that as the 5th/6th strongest economy in the world will make us attractive to worldwide trade and good deals with our self negotiated approach not having trade deals arranged for us by the EU.

TheElementsSong I find it very sad that you felt the need to ridicule my opinion. I am entitled to have one and to express it!

Daisy - you do realise that the "red tape" you talk about is what affords workers their rights, consumers quality products, the environment its protection etc? If we Brexit we will suffer financially and there is no way these rights and standards won't suffer. They'll be repealed and reduced in order to keep profits up.

MakemineaGandT Banana's and cucumbers must be straight - imagine the lack of waste when we no longer need to adhere to this law. Banning powerful vacuum cleaners cuts the choice of manufacturers and consumers. EU countries have rights to our fishing fields as well as imposing tight quotas. Freeing ourselves from Brussels should push up the UK fisherman's wage and standard of living. These are just a couple of examples. The great repeal bill will transfer all EU law to UK law, there is no reason to suppose the UK government will not keep regulations that support and protect workers and their rights.

You voted Leave because of bananas? Stop confirming all my prejudices.
Btw, the bananas thing is not true.

You have no reason to suppose the UK government will not keep regulations that support and protect workers and their rights?
Given this government's track record and TM's dislike of Human Rights, I think that's extremely naive to put it mildly.

MrsDoylesladder I'm quite sure you would love me to say I voted leave for banana's, sadly I can't fulfill your wish.

MsHooliesCardigan Perhaps it is a belief that getting and keeping people into work is a government priority and industrial action something to be very much avoided I do believe they won't want to rock the boat and cause demonstrations and riots. Keeping the employment rights workers have would be a small price to pay.

As I said, I could be wrong, but there again, I could be right. no one knows much about anything yet.

"TheElementsSong I find it very sad that you felt the need to ridicule my opinion. I am entitled to have one and to express it!"

Sadly this seems to be standard behaviour on these threads Daisy. You are wasting your time in this echo chamber if you expect anyone to respect or listen to your opinion I'm afraid.

I learned this months ago ^

ImtheSantaAnaWinds and MsHooliesCardigan Have been very civil Flumpernickel and for that I am grateful. Due to some other comments my granddaughter would make, I see a debate is out of the question, so I shall withdraw. I was interested in hearing what made people fear Brexit and widen my knowledge, it seems I shall have to look elsewhere.

Daisy if you read the thread you will find plenty of reasons why people are frightened.
You don't need to get into a discussion. Just listen to those who said 'I am scared' or 'this is terrible'.
There are plenty of them in 700+ posts.

You don't need to get into a discussion. Just listen to those who said 'I am scared' or 'this is terrible'.

So you can't have your own opinion or express it, you just need to listen to those who see it differently from you? What on earth is the point of having a forum then?!

Daisy you are mis-Informed about the "bendy cucumbers/bananas" thing. To the extent the shape of fruits was ever regulated, this was changed on 1 July 2009.

"On 29 July 2008, the European Commission held a preliminary vote concerning the repeal of certain regulations related to the quality of specific fruit and vegetables that included provisions related to size and shape. According to the Commission's press release, "In this era of high prices and growing demand, it makes no sense to throw these products away or destroy them." The Agriculture Commissioner stated, "This is a concrete example of our drive to cut red tape and I will continue to push until it goes through. [...] It shouldn't be the EU's job to regulate these things. It is far better to leave it to market operators."

If you fell for that myth (did you really?!), I wonder what other mis-information and misunderstanding you based your Leave vote on.

I wonder what is going to happen in today's Dutch election. That. and the result of the French election, could change a lot. Could be bad for the UK - but it could be good if the EU wants to keep the UK close and not punish us after all.

My (new) username is a bit of a clue about the way I voted, and I am dreading Art 50 being triggered - and sincerely hope that any second indyref will be delayed until after we leave the EU - one constitutional crisis at a time please!

One thing I would say about all this is that we seem to have the wrong enemies. Leavers blaming the EU for this country's woes. SNP supporters blaming Westminster for everything (probably more accurate) - but really, we have the wrong enemies here.

The likes of Trump, Putin and ISIS are the threats and we should be sticking together, not tearing apart.

It's all very sad.

I asked my mum why she voted leave. She said it was because of all the EU regulations. I asked her which regulations specifically. The only one she could think of was the one about the bananas. My mum doesn't even like bananas. I don't know how I even survived childhood. There are lots of people like my mum who were allowed to vote.

remoniac you are so right. It can be explained by the fact that it's the agenda of the newspaper owners and editors (Murdoch, Dacre) that has framed the debate. They want to see a de-regulated tax haven and a different sort of politics. They have spent many years painting a picture of the EU which furthers their cause. They want us to accept a de-regulated Britain, even though this is patently contrary to the interests of the vast majority who are currently protected in so many ways by "all that red tape".

Unless and until the media report accurately on the EU and it's benefits, and on the real problems and risks Brexit poses, people will keep demonising the wrong things/people.

We've got a government dancing entirely to their tune too.

It is all very worrying indeed.

NameChanger22 The media have done a clever job peddling the "bad and unnecessary EU Regulations" myth over many years. They've succeeded in persuading people to reject the very things which protect them. Workers' rights, health and safety in the workplace, environmental regulation, product and food standards, medical practice and treatments, financial services regulation to protect consumers and on and on and on. They've swallowed the line that there are countless stifling "regulations" that we should treat with contempt and free ourselves from. They are walking into a trap by happily rejecting ALL regulations despite the worth of many of them and forgetting the fact that many of them were proposed and drafted by the UK!

If and when people like your mum realise how utterly conned and betrayed they've been, I wonder what will happen?

NameChanger, I had the same conversation with my mum, and she said the same thing. I too asked her what laws, and after a (long) pause she came up with prisoners getting the vote. Something that hasn't even come in - then she said 'ah, but they're going to make us give them the vote.'

She's always surprised me with her vote, because we are very like-minded on most subjects. But during the run-up to the referendum she started talking about 'fat cat unelected bureaucrats in Brussels' and repeating a lot of Farage type rhetoric. She's a Radio 4 listener, lib dem voter, not a DM reader.

Then in the aftermath, I have found myself impressed by Ken Clarke, Anna Soubrey, Michael Hesletine - politicians who are far more right wing than I usually have time for. This really is a subject that splits the political classes and the country right across the board.

A series of posts essentially consisting of Feelings but it mustn't be pointed out that there is a series of posts essentially consisting of Feelings. Okey-dokey.

My mum panic bought a vacuum cleaner because of the Daily Mail scaremongering.

Elements Perhaps you might want to reread the title of this thread before you make sarcastic comments about people posting about how they feel.