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To want him fired

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StupidSlimyGit · 09/03/2017 17:56

I've name changed for this as it could be very identifying and it's going to be a long one sorry. I'm open to being told I'm being unreasonable but want some advice.
I work for a very large retail company in one of their smallish stores as does my DP, we have maybe around 100 colleagues at most and I always thought it was a pretty friendly place to work.
I've not long had a baby, back when I was pregnant my dp had a wobble and we took a break so we could both decide what we wanted, we are back together now and have been happily so for several months. When I was about 6 months pregnant a colleague I don't know very well but who I shd worked with on occasion added me on facebook and sent me some very explicit messages. Also asked for photos of me baked, holding my boobs, in a nightie etc. I laughed the whole thing off, made fun of him for asking and blocked him from messaging me. He made it very clear in these messages he had been looking at my breasts while I was working and I found it very uncomfortable to work around him after that. I didn't report it because said colleague was recently married and had a baby of his own a few weeks old at home aswell as another child and I felt guilty that I could ruin his life. My dp when we got back together noticed how uncomfortable I was and asked about it, then, when told about the messages, went to see our stores manager without my permission who called me into her office to discuss it. I showed her the messages and discussed it but didn't put in a formal complaint as I didn't want it to end up with him fired and his wife and children in trouble financially. It was agreed that the manager would have a talk with him about appropriate behaviour, warn him that if anything like this happened again he would be in trouble, then we could all move on with our lives. That was then done. I have wondered whether I should tell his wife but not done so because I don't know if it's my place?
Since then I've found out that he has done this to other women where I work, including making one so uncomfortable she has quit her job. I have been very unsure since then on whether I made the right decision, should I have taken the offer of a formal disciplinary to make sure he knows he can't get away with it even if it meant he might have been fired?
Since then I've had my baby and noticed when I go in to do my shopping tiny town, only really one option to shop plus I get staff discount there is a real atmosphere when I'm around the team he works with and people he talks to a lot. I feel incredibly uncomfortable and am visibly shunned when I'm there which has made my preexisting anxiety worse and has made returning to work at the end of my maternity leave seem terrifying.
Today when shopping several people sniggered as I walked past, and I got up the courage to ask someone I'm friends with and can trust if she had heard anything. She admitted that everyone has heard about me and him sexting while I was pregnant and the naked photos I sent to him, apparently he has even shown some of the boys the photos!!!! I didn't send anything so they can't be me and certainly haven't engaged in sexting, I still have the conversation on my phone to prove it. Now I was single at the time, so it isn't like it could ruin my life, and my DP has seen the conversation between me and colleague on my phone so he knows nothing went on anyway, but I feel like my reputation is in shreds. I've been trying not to cry since I got home and I'm shaking knowing what they think of me and what bits of me some of the male colleagues think they have seen. I have agoraphobia and it's taken me so long to get into work and think of it as one of my safe zones, now I'm trembling at the thought of going back. I want to be sick.
DP and I can't afford for me not to work, so I cant just quit till I find something else, but I don't know what to do now. WIBU to go back to my manager, tell her what is being said and demand he has some serious repercussions? What about going to head office and requesting an internal investigation hopefully leading to him being moved/fired?
I feel guilty because it would be horrible for his wife to find out this way and I keep thinking about his kids but surely he is the one in the wrong? Should I tell his wife?
Sorry for length I'm trying not to drip feed.

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StupidSlimyGit · 09/03/2017 21:14

Blush I'll give the non emergency police number a call soon as everyone thinks I'm not wasting their time.
I hadn't even considered photoshopped pictures to look like me, I was thinking they must just be a pic of breasts or something but he could have put my face on something. Oh god I'm shaking at the thought.
Thankyou all for your time and effort. I really feel like I'm making a huge fuss over nothing but he's taken away my safe place. I have one outside of my home and I'm so annoyed devastated it takes me so much effort to leave the house alone and work I could do without the panic. Even meant I could be a bit independent and do my own shopping actually in a shop because work was safe. Now I feel sick at the thought of walking into the building.
I'll make sure my manager knows the police are going to be involved and that I don't want action taken until they have done whatever they need to.
Thank you

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Mysteriouscurle · 09/03/2017 21:17

Yes. Go to police first as they can seize his phone before he deletes evidence. Then once police have taken his phone to investigate, go to management and tell them that it is now a police matter. That should make them take it seriously. Good luck

BerylStreep · 09/03/2017 21:25

Please keep us posted. One other thing to be aware of, is that some --spineless- employers may try to wriggle out of dealing with things if there is a tandem criminal investigation. If your employer is a large retail chain I would hope they should have plenty of experience of this, however once the police secure whatever evidence there may be (whether phone or by questioning), your employer can take disciplinary action in advance of the criminal matter because a) it is a different set of standards being applied - one is the criminal law, the other is expected standards of behaviour in an employment setting; and b) there is a different standard of proof, criminally it is beyond all reasonable doubt, and in employment settings it is on the balance of probabilities.

I don't want to get all technical, but just to make you aware that there is the potential for it to be a bit protracted.

StupidSlimyGit · 09/03/2017 21:29

Beryl thankyou, there's so much good information in your posts. I will remember that as although my shop is part of a huge supermarket chain they are very unreliable when it comes to dealing with issues. It's all about publicity so everything they can sweep gets swept under a rug.
Thankyou Flowers

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SolomanDaisy · 09/03/2017 21:46

I don't have anything useful to add, but I hope it goes well with the police and your employer. What a eastward.

SolomanDaisy · 09/03/2017 21:47

Bastard that is.

RandomMess · 09/03/2017 21:52

His behaviour is utterly awful, completely predatory, really he is the sort of perverted pest that could move onto nastier/more sinister sexual behaviour.

Your employers are complicit in covering his behaviour up Angry

Be kind to yourself Flowers

ArcheryAnnie · 09/03/2017 21:53

He sounds like an utter bastard, and he should be in fucking jail.

Even though it's not you in the photos he's showing, there's a chance it might come under what's known as "revenge porn", which is now illegal.

There's official information here, plus a helpline you can call.
www.victimsupport.org.uk/crime-info/types-crime/cyber-crime/revenge-porn

Good luck.

Ginkypig · 09/03/2017 21:55

They can't sweep it under the carpet if you don't allow them to.

Do not let them walk over you or minimise what happened.

Beryl has given some great information.

NurseP · 09/03/2017 21:59

Please go to the police first! Do not let your company cover up for him! Stay strong! You are the victim in this, by taking action, you are standing up for yourself and others he has bullied and abused! You are very brave, you should be proud to have the guts to stand up to him. X x

JustEatYourDinner · 09/03/2017 22:01

What an absolute arse!

Get him fired.

kali110 · 09/03/2017 22:03

Glad to hear you are calling the police op.
He is scum, pure scum.
I would def take a witness in with you, that way they can't deny anything.

notapizzaeater · 09/03/2017 22:07

He's a stupid idiot who deserves everything coming. Glad you've phoned the police.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 09/03/2017 22:12

You're being really brave, and you should try and remember to give yourself credit for what you're doing.

Foul foul man, who appears to think he's above the law. Well I hope he finds out he is definitely not. You poor thing. Flowers

gillybeanz · 09/03/2017 22:17

Are you still in touch with the woman who quit because of his behaviour?
She'd back you up surely, it would probably help her as much as you.
What a bastard, you'll be doing his wife a favour.
Make sure you tell her.

GatoradeMeBitch · 09/03/2017 22:32

Absolutely take whatever action you want to take. And contact the other women he harassed, asking if they will back you up. Your manager should still remember the original conversation too.

NotFromAJedi · 09/03/2017 22:47

Oh op Sad I really feel for you- some men make me sick. I've had a male colleague turn nasty before over unrequited feelings.. it's not fair on you at all. I wish you well Flowers you are strong x

Jenwen22 · 09/03/2017 23:33

Firstly hes sour grapes. If anyone else asks about the 'pictures' say yeah he sent you a video of him climaxing, his penis was tiny and he called out his mums name. These people want something to gossip about sadly, weather its true or not, as thats all that makes their sad little lives worth living. They wouldnt care about the truth if u showed them the actual conversation so you might as well turn it back on him. Then go get the twat fired. Hes just an immature little boy who shouldnt behave this way. I know its hard, especially as u have had a baby, but bear in mind the people who mind dont matter, and the people who matter dont mind. You havent done anything wrong so hold your head up high and ignore those saddo gossips. Chances are theyll get bored and find something or someone else to talk about. Big hugs xxxx

MsJudgemental · 09/03/2017 23:39

Get the bastard fired.

SoupDragon · 10/03/2017 07:19

It's all about publicity

On that subject, depending on the outcome of your meeting and any conversation with the police, you might want to get this thread deleted later. The press do trawl threads for stories and you never know what they are looking to steal and make a story of.

Secondly, go after the twat with everything you possibly can.

Megatherium · 10/03/2017 07:24

If you know or think he has done this to other women who have left, can you make contact with them, or suggest that your manager does? People who have left will have less to lose by speaking up.

liz70 · 10/03/2017 07:47

"I laughed the whole thing off, made fun of him for asking and blocked him from messaging me."

Oh, OP, you should have reported this lecherous creep to management right at the start for his grossly inappropriate behaviour towards a fellow colleague. Now's the time to do so. Pp are right; this dirty pig's marriage and children are not your problem. If he ends up jobless and/or alone he will only have himself to blame. Don't let him get away with anything more. Angry

PebbleInTheMoonlight · 10/03/2017 07:58

@StupidSlimyGit don't dismiss the union as a source of help entirely.

If you're a member you can contact the regional office directly and tell them the local steward may be inappropriate to support you due to a friendship conflict with the bully/harasser.

They can arrange for alternative support and should be very clued up on how to help. Best of luck and don't let the bastard get you down Flowers

ADayGivingMeHope · 10/03/2017 08:04

Just came on this thread, Hope your ok op!
I really hope your manager gives it to him!

BrownEyedLady · 10/03/2017 08:05

Good luck today. You are clearly a lot stronger than you think. We all have your back - please remember that. You are doing the right thing.

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