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To want him fired

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StupidSlimyGit · 09/03/2017 17:56

I've name changed for this as it could be very identifying and it's going to be a long one sorry. I'm open to being told I'm being unreasonable but want some advice.
I work for a very large retail company in one of their smallish stores as does my DP, we have maybe around 100 colleagues at most and I always thought it was a pretty friendly place to work.
I've not long had a baby, back when I was pregnant my dp had a wobble and we took a break so we could both decide what we wanted, we are back together now and have been happily so for several months. When I was about 6 months pregnant a colleague I don't know very well but who I shd worked with on occasion added me on facebook and sent me some very explicit messages. Also asked for photos of me baked, holding my boobs, in a nightie etc. I laughed the whole thing off, made fun of him for asking and blocked him from messaging me. He made it very clear in these messages he had been looking at my breasts while I was working and I found it very uncomfortable to work around him after that. I didn't report it because said colleague was recently married and had a baby of his own a few weeks old at home aswell as another child and I felt guilty that I could ruin his life. My dp when we got back together noticed how uncomfortable I was and asked about it, then, when told about the messages, went to see our stores manager without my permission who called me into her office to discuss it. I showed her the messages and discussed it but didn't put in a formal complaint as I didn't want it to end up with him fired and his wife and children in trouble financially. It was agreed that the manager would have a talk with him about appropriate behaviour, warn him that if anything like this happened again he would be in trouble, then we could all move on with our lives. That was then done. I have wondered whether I should tell his wife but not done so because I don't know if it's my place?
Since then I've found out that he has done this to other women where I work, including making one so uncomfortable she has quit her job. I have been very unsure since then on whether I made the right decision, should I have taken the offer of a formal disciplinary to make sure he knows he can't get away with it even if it meant he might have been fired?
Since then I've had my baby and noticed when I go in to do my shopping tiny town, only really one option to shop plus I get staff discount there is a real atmosphere when I'm around the team he works with and people he talks to a lot. I feel incredibly uncomfortable and am visibly shunned when I'm there which has made my preexisting anxiety worse and has made returning to work at the end of my maternity leave seem terrifying.
Today when shopping several people sniggered as I walked past, and I got up the courage to ask someone I'm friends with and can trust if she had heard anything. She admitted that everyone has heard about me and him sexting while I was pregnant and the naked photos I sent to him, apparently he has even shown some of the boys the photos!!!! I didn't send anything so they can't be me and certainly haven't engaged in sexting, I still have the conversation on my phone to prove it. Now I was single at the time, so it isn't like it could ruin my life, and my DP has seen the conversation between me and colleague on my phone so he knows nothing went on anyway, but I feel like my reputation is in shreds. I've been trying not to cry since I got home and I'm shaking knowing what they think of me and what bits of me some of the male colleagues think they have seen. I have agoraphobia and it's taken me so long to get into work and think of it as one of my safe zones, now I'm trembling at the thought of going back. I want to be sick.
DP and I can't afford for me not to work, so I cant just quit till I find something else, but I don't know what to do now. WIBU to go back to my manager, tell her what is being said and demand he has some serious repercussions? What about going to head office and requesting an internal investigation hopefully leading to him being moved/fired?
I feel guilty because it would be horrible for his wife to find out this way and I keep thinking about his kids but surely he is the one in the wrong? Should I tell his wife?
Sorry for length I'm trying not to drip feed.

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HelenaDove · 24/03/2017 13:39

Sorry i know he didnt post them as such but showing pictures on his phone to others and saying its you creates the same distress.

Whether the pictures are of you or not he has found a way to circumnavigate this law.

StupidSlimyGit · 24/03/2017 15:40

Right I've emailed head office but I haven't copied my hr manager into it because I'm unsure I want her to have access to the letter my doctor has written. I've put this in the email to HO and included my reasons why. Drinking with colleague involved, lack of desire to correct colleagues behaviour, breech of confidentiality already performed and don't want my medical history to be common knowledge in store. I have always been very open in regards to my mental and physical health issues though so if it is sent back to her/the store and does get out, in reality i won't be upset.
My phone calls with HO are recorded, but, all phone calls with the store manager and HR manager aren't because they are using work provided mobiles. I'm going to send an email to HR manager in a while stating that I want all correspondence from this point forward to be direct to me, not messages passed on through my dp, and that I want everything in email, text message, or good old fashioned snail mail. I'm thinking she will have to take it more seriously if I have copies of everything she says. Also if she doesn't then I have proof.
Going to the press really isn't an option if I'm going to have any chance of keeping my job don't want to at this point but have to. The daily fail would probably love this, not that I would really want it published in there! It is very, very clear in our policy that making any public statement about the company is severe misconduct and warrants instant dismissal. Plus the last thing I need if I do leave is them giving me a bad reference or having on my cv I was sacked.
Thankyou again for the support and hand holds. It means a lot Flowers

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Graphista · 24/03/2017 16:14

Well done you for continuing to pursue this in such a way as to expect your employers to address it correctly. Appalling behaviour by them!

chastenedButStillSmiling · 24/03/2017 16:32

just wanted to congratulate you for keeping on with this.

Well done.

Right behind you, cheering you loudly! Flowers

Teabagtits · 24/03/2017 16:33

I really think you need to see a lawyer about this. It's such a multifaceted case and you need someone on your side. Are there any law clinics at local universities you could go to and use their free/cheap advice? Your company's behaviour towards you and your partner is completely inappropriate and I don't think this is a battle you should be taken by on yourself.

If the union reps are in store ask for a regional or national rep instead. They are often either employed directly by the union or likely to work in a different field. The union may also be able to help you with any legal fees.

You are being treated unfairly and it's impinging on your statutory rights (ie you don't need to have been in employment 2+years to take action)

picklemepopcorn · 24/03/2017 16:33

Well done! Hang in there.

BerylStreep · 24/03/2017 17:07

Well done. I would echo the advice about legal at this stage, as they are just cocking the entire thing up. How are you getting on with the union - have they appointed someone else to deal with your case?

In terms of item 6 on your list - they are correct to a degree - if they have already dealt with the initial incident informally, they can't deal with it again. However the later harassment & victimisation can and should be dealt with, and the fact that previous sexually predatory behaviour has already been addressed is highly relevant.

In regards to the counter-complaint made by the colleague - if he has made a complaint, then they are duty bound to investigate it. However that is on the assumption that they are also thoroughly investigating your complaint. I would ask for a copy of the disciplinary procedures if you haven't already. I always thought they needed to inform you in writing in advance with details of the allegation in order that you can prepare for any investigation. You really need to get your union & legal on to this ASAP.

Motherof3beautfulgirls · 24/03/2017 17:14

God that is awful!!! I would want to punch him in the face, I can tell your quite soft as I personally would have been fuming and outted him there and then, you might have to go down the legal route.

OR you can print the messages and hand them around Grin and let his wife know, I would want to know if my husband was a creep!!! Shock

kali110 · 24/03/2017 17:42

Do not give up op.
This is disgusting. They are trying to force you to drop it by threatening your dp and your job.
Even if it gets to that stage do not let it drop.
Your 'manager' knows she's in the shit Angry

ASongOfRiceAndPeas · 24/03/2017 19:53

This is so wrong I am actually furious on your behalf OP. I have no legal knowledge but the more you update us with the more this is looking like they are building a case against you and your partner and you really need to act quickly before not only do you miss out on this creep being correctly punished, your DP gets dismissed under the guise of 'poor performance' having been complained about, what with all the redundancy crap floating about. Please please get to a solicitor, I know you know this already but don't even accept any calls from anyone in the store. If the nice guy from head office calls you ask him to follow up with an email too. The sooner management see that you have a leg to stand on legally and are using that to full extent they should back down from your partner. Do not take this complaint against your partner lightly, he needs to get to the bottom of it- and fervently!
Best of luck x

HelenaDove · 25/03/2017 00:01

"DP has been given a formal warning because of a complaint by another member of staff today, only the member of staff who supposedly made the complaint is a friend and has phoned me in tears this afternoon because she doesn't know why they are saying she has complained she hasn't said anything so he has to try get that sorted. It really feels like they are punishing us for trying to get this sorted"

Would this friend help you build your case or are these cunts threatening her job too.

Ive read the whole thread now and its made me so fucking angry on your behalf OP and i think you are doing brilliantly. Thanks

StupidSlimyGit · 25/03/2017 16:25

I'm going back to the legal team CAB recommended on Monday, union have completely washed their hands of the situation when they contacted my head office so unless I take out a loan for a lawyer I don't have any where else that I can realistically turn. I have been employed by this company for well over two years and my dp for even longer still so we have at least some footing.

Motherof3beautfulgirlsI never used to be a soft person, Blush there was a time I would have known exactly what to do and definitely would have wanted to hit him multiple times in the face but I've had a really rough few years and this whole thing just feels like it's undone all the work I've been doing on my MH.

the more you update us with the more this is looking like they are building a case against you and your partner I feel exactly this way otherwise I would probably have dropped everything by now. I'm keeping records of everything and updating head office regularly!

I haven't had any notification of an investigation but our store have form for handing you a letter telling you of the investigation meeting 1 or 2 hours before the meeting itself starts so it doesn't mean I won't receive something.

My friend is unwilling to come forward because of the redundancies but another colleague who is due to retire soon witnessed the conversation and is going with my DP to his appeal.

Feel awful for moaning, I really am grateful for the support and advice, just struggling a little at the moment. Not sleeping properly, no appetite, and I'm back on the highest dose of my ADs + a low dose of another med I haven't been on for over a year SadAngry

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BerylStreep · 25/03/2017 16:33

I don't understand why your union aren't helping. Why are they saying they won't? Surely that is what you are paying your dues for?

StupidSlimyGit · 25/03/2017 16:41

They offered me two representatives, but they both work at my store so I had to decline them both. They then sent the email about being unable to represent me to head office but they still haven't notified me of why that is. I don't know if it's because I turned the two they offered down?

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HelenaDove · 25/03/2017 16:45

Unions just want the money. Some of them are as bad as some of the employers.

Ive worked out what supermarket this is by simply reading the thread and they should be fucking ashamed.

StupidSlimyGit · 25/03/2017 16:49

Blush I didn't think I had put anything they could be identified with on here Confused do you have personal experience with them? Or have I posted something I need to get deleted because of the policy? Confused

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Moussemoose · 25/03/2017 16:52

HelenaDove

"Unions just want the money."

Here was me thinking I represented my members for free.

HelenaDove · 25/03/2017 16:53

Im sorry SSG I didnt mean to alarm you No i havent worked for them or anything

I will not put their name on the thread Thanks

HelenaDove · 25/03/2017 16:54

Moosse i had a bad experience with one 14/15 years ago. Im sorry i shouldnt tar them all with the same brush.

StupidSlimyGit · 25/03/2017 16:55

I'm a little concerned about what tipped you off about who it was Confused but thankyou for not posting their name I do appreciate it.

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HelenaDove · 25/03/2017 16:58

You mentioned you work in a smaller outlet There is one store that has many of those.

Thats all I could well be wrong.

Either way their behaviour is disgusting.

Justanothernameonthepage · 25/03/2017 17:00

Double check your union benefits on their website - with mine, as well as having onsite assistance, I also get legal assistance separate from the union.

StupidSlimyGit · 25/03/2017 17:01

Ahhh.
Thankyou for that I won't worry if it's something as obscure as that!

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Justanothernameonthepage · 25/03/2017 17:03

If it's USDAW www.usdaw.org.uk/Help-Advice/Legal-Advice

StupidSlimyGit · 25/03/2017 17:04

It isn't them, but thankyou I will definitely check! I hadn't thought of it and they might well have an option.

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