To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

[TheWorldAccordingToToads]

I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

Even if it doesn't replace sex it could still be very problematic. It still means that anyone could identify as a man in the morning and identify as a woman in the afternoon. Why do so many people have their heads in the sand about this?

This wasn't on my radar at all until now. It's utterly ridiculous really. No way should that be passed!!
Start a petition or something.

You CANNOT preserve SEX and GENDER IDENTITY both. They conflict.

Imagine:

A group for women is set up.

A transwoman is refused membership.

The women of the group claim their protected right to associate by sex.
The transwoman asserts his protected right not be excluded because he has an unchallengeable gender identity.

Which right gets protected? Sex or gender identity?

You cannot protect both. Both claim that woman means different things. You cannot have this conflict in law.

HappyH3roe17 Again, this is about self identification and the problems it causes for women. Not about genuine Trans people.

Why should someone elses feelings trump a womans need for a female rape crisis counsellor, or a women only DV shelter?

Mega one contradicts the other.

If the female rape victim requests a woman doctor to do her rape kit and a trans woman with a penis and a beard comes in whose right is prioritised? The transwoman to identify as the gender they wish and not be discriminated against by the rape victim. Or the rape victim to choose a female dr.

This is the problem with gender identity coming in, it will allways contradict the protection of biological sex.

I refuse to accept that being born a woman now makes me a third class citizen.

A frightening step forward to us being Atwood's Handmaidens. Are women of the near future going to be paid to surrogate for the transgendered?

Yes Datun this is about women. There was really no need to make this a trans thread

I believe in treat others, as you would wish to be treated

I, for my part, have absolutely no problem with males not wanting me in their changing rooms.

And because everyone is so lovely and nice, I am sure, no males have a problem with me not wanting them in our changing rooms.

So, explain to me, why again do males need a law that grants them access to women's changing rooms?

Are we going to get the situation where gender identity fully trumps biological sex? Will this mean that by identifying as a woman you incur daft costs of smears and mammograms and not be invited to a prostate check?

If a person is not adhering to any of the expected behaviours of a woman and then identifies as such, they're probably not going to be taken seriously and will not be given access to safe space

What are "the expected behaviours of a woman*?

I dont wear dresses, i prefer trousers, trainers and a hoody. I don't wear make up, i have short hair. Will i be excluded?

My teenager is slight build with short hair. She looks like a boy when she wears trousers, will she be excluded? Made to use the mens facilities?

We are boiling down sex to appearance and stereotypes.

Are people missing the point on purpose?

Once again there are plenty of trans women who disagree with self identification and disagree with this new proposed law change? Are they bigots too?

Sex will remain a protected characteristic.

But gender will be a protected characteristic too.

Therefor your smear nurse could be a man who says his gender is female. Therefore he is protected under sex. Therefore if I then refuse the man who says he is a woman for my smear I will be committing hate crime.

That's how I understand the two protected characteristics but I'm not an expert on it so please correct me.

I reiterate my points from earlier, what are the implications? Have they been thought through?

I have dc in single sex education - what are the potential implications?

I have frequent hospital admissions, I have severe mental health issues (anxiety being one) which are exacerbated by being in unfamiliar surroundings and mean I struggle to stand up for myself, what is being done to protect people like me?

I have a daughter who is a science and mathematics whizz and is prime for stem subject study at university, will she be able to apply fairly for funding and places?

No idea where that random question mark came from . Ignore that.

Thank you op. I had no idea about this. I'm going to look into it now.

'I believe in treat others, as you would wish to be treated'

So do I. And I am not a rape victim, nor am I likely to be imprisoned or sectioned in the near future. But if I was I would like a possibility of all female spaces or intimate care when I was at my most vulnerable and it seems to me to be unconscionable that we are considering taking that away.

Pink there is a petition on citizen go website. There's links on the other threads about this topic.

Play I like that idea too. An even better idea would be Nicky Wire in a dress as pm. He would never let this shit happen to women. While looking super cute as a man in a dress too.

OP and anyone else who wants to write to their MP about this proposed Bill: I drafted a template that I shared on the previous thread when this was discussed last month. Feel free to use it as a basis for communication with your MP, although best if you make some small changes as I believe they filter out identikit letters. (I'm still waiting for a reply from my MP, disappointingly.)

"Dear,

I am writing to ask you in the strongest terms not to support the above bill when it has its second reading in the near future (expected 24th March).

To enshrine gender identity in law would give any man legal status as a woman (or vice versa) based only on personal feelings, effectively establishing “gender identity” as the only legal distinction between men and women. “Gender identity” by definition, excludes and denies the existence of biological sex. The protected characteristic “sex” would therefore be replaced by “gender identity.”

This protected characteristic would also apply to children and adolescents whose identities are still immature, developing and highly susceptible to influence from adults. Its legal establishment would have serious implications for both parents and children as well as the safety of women and girls.

Sex-segregated facilities designed for the protection of women and girls would become segregated by gender identity. Everyone, including children, would be legally bound to believe the gender identity of anyone else, child or adult. A young girl who finds herself in a public changing-room with a naked adult male would be legally forced to call him a woman if he identifies as such. She would no longer have any recourse to legal protection from any man entering her private spaces, the law would demand that she protect his “identity”

Women will lose all rights to privacy, the right to compete with their own sex in sport, the right to be represented as they will legally be represented by biological males. This is so harmful to women and girls.

Please believe that my letter is not borne out of transphobia. I truly respect and support everyone's right to live an identity in which they feel comfortable, free from prejudice, harm or hate. I use the preferred name and personal pronouns with which someone chooses to introduce themselves. But I cannot, and will not accept that erosion of biological sex is necessary, logical, desirable or anything other than harmful to women, adolescents and children, and I ask again that you help to prevent serious, lasting harm being done to those most at risk from this flawed and damaging proposed law by opposing the Bill.

Yours sincerely,"

The world all the transwomen and lesbians (who are public about anyways) I follow on Twitter et al are constantly called transphobic, terfs and worse constantly.

A frightening step forward to us being Atwood's Handmaidens. Are women of the near future going to be paid to surrogate for the transgendered?

Women are already being paid to surrogate for gay males, and, I am rather sure, some transgendered males.

What we will have in the future is the sisters and possibly even the daughters of transgendered males being coerced to donate the use of their bodies to the trans and his partner without any financial compensation.

Therefor your smear nurse could be a man who says his gender is female.

Not necessarily. There are exceptions under the Equality Act that mean, for instance, that a male nurse can't complain of sex discrimination if a woman doesn't want a smear test done by him. I'm sure exactly the same exceptions could be built in for gender issues.

Its a fast moving thread but for those that may have missed it the CPS are already teaching schools to tell girls that objecting to ANY BOY in their changing rooms is a hate crime.
www.transgendertrend.com/cps-schools-project-the-erasure-of-sex-and-the-silencing-of-girls/
"The students should find that the women and men can be charged with public order offences, in this case aggravated by hostility based on gender identity.”

I think the problem is Play is that people aren't thinking about the bigger picture here. Most people I've spoke to about this just seem to think "well it's only bathrooms, who cares if a trans women pees in the cubicle next to you." Only it's not just about bathrooms, is it?

It's about sports, prisons, shelters, rape crisis centres, hospital wards, being able to request HCP's or carers or therapists of the same sex, single sex schools, women's awards and scholarships...the list is endless.

This is far bigger than toilets and even changing rooms, much bigger, but people can't/don't want to see it

I'm terrified by the ramifications of this tbh. It doesn't bear thinking about.