To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

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I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

PansyGiraffe , based on the report from the Women and Equalities Committee, they are removing all references to transsexual. So presumably that clause would go.

DJBaggySmalls YY! This is NOT about trans women! I just bloody knew people would turn this into a trans thread and the cries of "transphobia!" would start!

I am not transphobic. I am anti gender self ID and pro women's rights! Neither of those things make me transphobic!

User72 you are very misinformed. There are indeed schemes to encourage WOMEN to enter uni to do STEM subjects, because they are not enough WOMEN doing these subjects.

Ofcourse in the future MEN who change gender will beable to apply for WOMENS' places on these schemes. Just like MEN who have changed gender, can enter WOMENS sports etc etc.

One article I read from a transwoman spoke about how us 'cis' women were being so offensive with terminology. How breast feeding was now chest feeding. Menstrual blood was pomegranit peepers. Vaginas was front hole. Can't remember the rest of the utter bs but YUK!!! Like our whole experience of life us wiped out because it's offensive to someone born male. And the derogatory, childish, somewhat sexual terminology...... beyond disturbing.

I am woman, hear me roar!

It's hideous OP, truly hideous.

OP
Yes a lot of people dint understand self identification...possibly including my local MP.

To the poster who asked about STEM, I believe the US have already given a couple of women's scholarships to men but too sleepy to google it.

Link to the Gov website regarding the bill

Sorry if this has already been posted.

If I don't feel comfortable with someone in a changing room and they're clearly male am I allowed to politely direct them to the men's?^

No. You may be charged with a hate crime for asking male people to leave your space.

Below is guidance issued to SCHOOLS from the Crown Prosecution Serviceon how teenage girls may be guilty of actual hate crimes for challenging any male of any age from entering their changing rooms.

www.transgendertrend.com/cps-schools-project-the-erasure-of-sex-and-the-silencing-of-girls/

"The students should find that [they] can be charged with public order offences, in this case aggravated by hostility based on gender identity.”

PansyGiraffe

As far as I know, in Canada at any rate, maternity rights are a sex based right. They are not rights in and of themself.

*Breastfeeding rights, not maternity

And I would probably lose my job if I fought my corner too which is sad.

Some men do indeed get off on pretending to be women in order to access vulnerable females. Its called autogynephlia and these people would be classed under the trans women umbrella and would gain legal access to womens spaces under self ID laws. Much as the trans activists don't like it referred to, it is a real thing and there is plenty of reading on the subject available online.

I have to say it's been reassuring to see more and more prominent women coming forward as being gender critical and also the support they're getting in the press is nice to see.

I hope you weren't referring to my roar there Waitrose. I'm not wearing any makeup today but I still don't think my face is that bad

Have you ever met anyone who is transgender or who "feels like they are a woman" ? ? ?

It is not an easy path to follow

There is alot of angst given from the male and female sides

I think this type of people have always been part of society, except that they are just more prominent now

If you look at other cultures round the world, male, female and one other gender are common

I believe in treat others, as you would wish to be treated

''Summary of the Gender Identity (Protected Characteristic) Bill 2016-17

A Bill to make gender identity a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 in place of gender reassignment and to make associated provision for transgender and other persons; and for connected purposes.''

Self identity would replace female being a protected characteristic; it would trump it. Its deluded.

It is proposed by Maria Miller.
''Maria Miller says only hostility to transgender report came from women 'purporting to be feminists'''
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/maria-miller-says-only-hostility-to-transgender-report-came-from-women-purporting-to-be-feminists-a6830406.html

Oh I agree Pepvixen, the references to "transsexual" as a word would go. However, originally the occupational requirement part of the Sex Discrimination Act related only to sex, since gender reassignment wasn't protected anyway - when that protection was brought in, so too was the occupational requirement part expanded to deal with the concerns of those who didn't want someone formerly of the opposite sex, or still of the opposite sex but who had announced their intention to one day have treatment, doing their personal care (for example).

We're both presuming since there is no draft Bill knocking around but I believe it likely that the occupational requirement exception wording could similarly be adapted.

this is an increasingly common scenario because people aren't being supported to challenge and discover their identities but having hormones shovelled at them situations like this happen.

There are LOADS of cases like this.

Where do you get the suggestion that the idea is to abolish sex as a protected characteristic and replace it by gender identity? So far as I can see, what has been said about the Bill is that the purpose is to make gender identity a protected characteristic in place of gender reassignment, which is considerably different.

I'm also beyond bugged out that the only voice of objection to this eroding of female protections is the alt right. Petition is on citizen go site iirc (and is linked on other threads about this) and they have some pretty bigoted stances otherwise.

This is NOT about trans gendered people!

This is about the bill which proposes a GENDER SELF IDENTIFICATION law.

Why are people pretending that they don't know what GENDER SELF IDENTIFICATION means?

But yes Happy I have met and conversed with many trans gendered people. Every single one of them disagrees with gender self identification.

In fact there's even a TRANS WOMAN who posts here who is against self identification. She has her own thread here. Read it Happy. You might learn a thing or two.

Transpeople, particularly transwomen have driven the agenda. But it's not about trans. It's about women.

A high proportion of transwomen retain their genitalia and are attracted to women. But even if you are completely okay with that, it will open the door to every single predator, rapist, paedophile, chancer and voyeur, who only has to self identify.

And when you know that paedophiles, for instance, invest years grooming children, do you seriously think they won't just download a form?

I sincerely hope this bill does not pass. But the insanity has got far enough that the criteria (two years living as a woman and a gender reassignment certificate) is being considered with the intent of complete removal.

Maria Miller's report ran to 98 pages. And STILL she thinks it's a good idea.

I agree PansyGiraffe that there are ways to protect women's sex based rights while protecting trans people. As you say, things like retaining some wording to ensure you can request a HCP of the same sex. However, I get no sense whatsoever from what Maria Miller, Jess Phillips etc have said that they see it as an issue at all.

They were dismissive even of the college of gender identity specialists warning of issues in prisons.

I despair of the gender fluid gender queer gender bender bollocks that teens seem to be spouting these days mainly because of the huge implications it seems to be having.

Imagine if the punk movement had had this much influence or if skinheads did (proper ones not neonazis) or if hippies had their way (I'd like that world I think)