To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

[TheWorldAccordingToToads]

I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

Agreed; except that many of the media arse-scratchers are women.

I'm sure they are. Handmaidens do not help.

Examples of press references to this issue:
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3400357/After-Maria-Miller-s-proposals-allow-gender-passports-marked-X-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-says-let-s-stop-pretending-trans-new-normal.html
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/maria-miller-says-only-hostility-to-transgender-report-came-from-women-purporting-to-be-feminists-a6830406.html
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/call-passports-driving-licences-gender-7104824
www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-dangerous-and-wrong-to-tell-all-children-theyre-gender-fluid/

They're not reporting much on the current bill because, well, they don't generally report on private members' bills that are unlikely to become law.

www.thegetrealmom.com/blog/womensrestroom

Not sure how to get the above link to work, but I re-posted this on my Facebook page last night about a man in the womens toilets at Disneyland. Very very worrying.
Out of 140 friends I hope that it opens the eyes of at least some of them, then they can think abut the true impact.

Maria Miller just doesn't get it does she?

But Ms Miller, wading into the dangerous territory of radical feminist politics, insisted that they are wrong. She pointed to research by the Fawcett Society, a think-tank campaigning for women’s rights, which found that two-thirds of feminists believe gender to be fluid.

Yes, Maria you can believe that gender (sex role stereotypes) is fluid as no one is a walking stereotype for either sex and yet still believe that sex is binary.

It's the biology that matters. Biology is the reason that women were given a different label to men in the first place.

That quote was from the Independent article linked by Mega BTW.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/maria-miller-says-only-hostility-to-transgender-report-came-from-women-purporting-to-be-feminists-a6830406.html

Which shows that she has not listened to what the 'feminists' have been telling her.

She also says:

To have your gender changed legally, transgender people also have to provide evidence of “living in your new gender”. “What does that mean in 21st-century Britain? That you wear a skirt?”

Ex-fucking-sactly. So why the need to legally change sex (I realise biologically this is not possible) if you can live your gender how you wish anyway?
Why is everyone lumping sex and gender together? Gender is societal roles and presentation. Sex is biology.

So the Mainstream press is a side column by Richard Littlejohn online, and the rest hidden away in subsections of their websites.

Not exactly 'mainstream'

actually as far as I can see, not one of those articles really mentioned the Gender Identity Bill.

Can you provide the links that do mention it as you refer to upthread?

They're not reporting much on the current bill because, well, they don't generally report on private members' bills that are unlikely to become law.

That's just not true.

The Renters Rights Bill was and is being widely discussed in the media, so too the Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) Bill and the Animal Cruelty (Sentencing) Bill. All private members bills.

I've been thinking far too much quite a lot about the Gender Identity Bill recently as it really bothers and it struck me that it, and the current gender reassignment rules are really fucking transphobic.

We should be making it easier for people to be trans men and women and be proud of their trans-ness, there should no shame, why the need for complicity in law to hide their past?

Gender reassignment is already a protected characteristic, we need to step up and make sure transpeople are recognised and celebrated for the people they are, not hidden away like a dirty secret neatly tucked in their 'correct' gender boxes with their past erased.

we need to step up and make sure transpeople are recognised and celebrated for the people they are, not hidden away like a dirty secret neatly tucked in their 'correct' gender boxes with their past erased

I think that is exactly what Jenni Murray said. Good point.

we need to step up and make sure transpeople are recognised and celebrated for the people they are, not hidden away like a dirty secret neatly tucked in their 'correct' gender boxes with their past erased

Very well put. Yes, exactly.

I think that is exactly what Jenni Murray said. Good point.

Yes it was, I think many people just read the headlines, shouted 'transphobe' and didn't actually read her article fully.

Thread on MN to oppose the Gender Identity Bill

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2879137-Open-Letters-to-Our-MPs-on-the-Gender-Identity-Bill?

Please add your comments to your MP.

We need to get this on MPs radar.

And post and retweet this if you are on twitter:

I wonder how women feel about being frisked at airports by a bloke with a cock who identifies as a woman? Or see their wife/girlfriend or daughter being frisked - and being powerless to intervene or be accused of hate speech/hate crime?

OK, got my complaint off to the CPS.

Reading their schools project pack, it defines transgender as anyone who doesn't conform to gender norms and it gives excluding someone from a friendship group on the basis of gender identity as an example of an LGBT hate crime.

Does that mean that if a gender non-conforming boy heard girls planning a sleepover, declared himself trans and demanded to be included, he could threaten them with the law for refusing to let him join in?

No Empress it's bad but not that bad. A group of private people planning an activity can refuse to let another person join for any reason or none and while Ms Miller's silly little Bill has not yet even been printed (and probably never will be) I don't think it will change that.

If you look online it says there are 300,000-600,000 trans in the U.K., this seems a very big number. This is quoted from surveys done by GIRES ( gender id research and education society- a charity run by volunteers), there are no public info stats on this.
The ONS in, I think, 2015 put the no. if LGB at 1.7% of the population which is just over 1 million. Split 3 ways that is 330,000 of each roughly.
Stats say Trans are .6% of the pop in the USA. If it was the same here that is 372,000. This makes the 300-600,000 GIRES estimate seem high.

I bet it could be framed as bullying Empress.

Not the law, but still the school might clumsily take action.

That really is shocking though. How can not wanting someone as a friend be considered a hate crime in any universe?

If it follows the usual discrimination criteria you can exclude someone from your friendship group on almost any basis. But I don't think you can exclude them on the basis that they are trans.

I'm talking about the Crown Prosecution Service Schools Pack. It defines transgender vaguely as anyone not conforming to gender norms. Then it has a list of what might constitute anti-LGBT hate crime. The bit about friendship groups is slipped in there.

Didnt know About this. Is it going through parliament now very quietly

'outing someone as transgender' is a hate crime? Surely that's easily done by accidentally recognising their sex?