To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

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I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

Oh btw, there are trans women who disagree with this new proposed law change and disagree with gender self ID. Are they transphobic too?

I have no problem with transwomen or transmen.

I do have a problem with women's rights being eroded left, right and centre and attempting to speak out about it being branded as transphobia.

to conclude, no, allowing people to self identity into women's spaces on the basis of gender identity takes away their right to have spaces on the basis of biological identity.

There is no reason to have any kind of division of services, opportunities or space on the basis of gender. Either make the argument that everything should be unisex (and maybe more things should be unisex) or accept that sometimes men and women (and also intersex people) have different needs because they are physically different.

In fact there is a trans women Mumsnetter who disagrees with gender self ID! Is she transphobic too?

I have dc in single sex education - what are the potential implications?

I have frequent hospital admissions, I have severe mental health issues (anxiety being one) which are exacerbated by being in unfamiliar surroundings and mean I struggle to stand up for myself, what is being done to protect people like me?

I have a daughter who is a science and mathematics whizz and is prime for stem subject study at university, will she be able to apply fairly for funding and places?

smellfunny "I can't imagine someone whose sole intent is to exert his power over woman feeling particularly masculine or dominant whilst wearing a wig, lipstick, heels and a dress" - they won't need to wear anything different, they just have to say they identify as a woman if challenged.

"Secondly, I assume there will be some reasonable doubt if someone does not seem to be identifying as a woman in any sense other than saying 'I am a woman.' If a person is not adhering to any of the expected behaviours of a woman and then identifies as such, they're probably not going to be taken seriously and will not be given access to safe spaces." No, that is more or less the position now - this bill is about changing that and allowing people to self identify without question.

My local mp told me I'd misunderstood the bill
I think he has because it's so Kafkaesque

I don't know what to do in order to get more reliable info
Dors Maria Miller have a clear statement on her proposals?

If I don't feel comfortable with someone in a changing room and they're clearly male am I allowed to politely direct them to the men's?

Smellfunny, sorry but you're wrong. There have been absolutely loads of cross dressing sex offenders. Until recently they would certainly not have been defined as trans but there definitely isn't a contradiction between wanting to abuse women and dressing in women's clothing.

Why is being worried about women's rights and defending women's rights now considering bigotry, prejudice and transphobia? HTF have we got to this point?

Datun's example re expressing milk is a poor one since that would be a claim under pregnancy/maternity discrimination is any case.

As said above, there are currently occupational requirements exceptions (for example for personal care) which mean you can require one sex over another, or that the person not be a transsexual. If this Bill were passed, it seems very likely that these parts of the Act would also be tweaked. www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/9

I'm not sure it will be as simplified as you're making out.

Is anyone from either side able to answer my questions as they are genuine concerns of mine. Thanks.

I have a daughter who is a science and mathematics whizz and is prime for stem subject study at university, will she be able to apply fairly for funding and places?

Huh? You do know that university offers, by law, cannot discriminate based on any protected characteristic? So the fact that your daughter is female is already absolutely irrelevant to whether she gets a place.

I think 'you misunderstood the bill' here means 'oh no, that isn't what we want the bill to do'. However, once a law is passed it is passed.

smellfunny no effort will be required. Gender self ID means you don't have to put on a dress, wig, heels and lipstick. You truly can just say you are a woman and that's it. It doesn't matter if people 'don't take you seriously' - if this becomes law you would be unable to throw someone out of female spaces for not 'displaying expected female behaviour'. All that I'd required of them is their self identification- what they claim to feel.

Also, sexual predators govto a great deal of effort to carry out their crimes so of course men thus inclined would take advantage of this open invitation.

Finally, most attacks happen by people known to the victims because currently that is easier. If we make opportunistic sexual crime easier to commit, rates will go up.

No but there are awards and financial incentives to women in stem subjects

Misswatch the issue is about self identification, not genuine Trans people.

Predators such as multiple rapist Lisa Lacey.
www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/seen-missing-woman-dressed-man-seen-derbyshire/story-29207361-detail/story.html

It's stupid. This thread was never about trans women/trans men. It was about women and our rights and about this proposed gender self ID bill (again people do know what self identification means right? ) yet people have still made it into a trans issue! Can we not bloody talk about women any more without being accused of bigotry?!

Is there a petition or group letter we could all sign? I'm not good at expressing this sort of thing

I'm beyond fucking terrified of what it will mean. But having brought it up in very pro female, enlightened (or so I thought) communities I got accused of breaching their inclusive support policy and inciting hatred.

I couldn't be less trans phobic. I don't care why anyone feels they are trans. Pink/blue brain is factually bs but I don't care much if they feel they are truly a woman/man, I don't care if they are autogyniphil (sp) which the extensive research does back up but I understand why some would feel this is dismissive, I don't care if it's gender dysmorphia, body dismorphia, or they just feel more comfor table living as the opposite gender. I'd like counciling to be made much more available but I don't have an issue if people want to compleately/partly/some what transision. I am soooo easy fucking going on how people want to life.

But to take the legal (minimal) protection away from females who need that protection from male violence. Provide trans people legal protections by all means but don't steal that protection from females. From my very vulnerable daughters.

And worrying about this means I'm prejudice and talking about it means I'm inciting hatred and attacking others!?!?! Yeah fuck the hell off already. I have woken up in a batshit crazy world.

This issue of 'competing rights': the potential to loose the legal right, as a female, to refuse a transwoman (i.e. biologically male) HCP for intimate examinations .... and I think if ever faced with such a ghastly situation, I would declare that I'm 'transphobic' and have a panic attack! Would my MH 'trump' his 'gender identity'?!

I really don't think this is an issue. Firstly, hardly anyone would go through the effort of pretending to identify as a woman with the sole intent of attacking them.

What like the 100s documented on here?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/outofmypantiesnow.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/when-is-90-not-substantially-all/amp/

If a person is not adhering to any of the expected behaviours of a woman and then identifies as such, they're probably not going to be taken seriously and will not be given access to safe space

The 'expected behaviours of a woman'? Seriously? There is no such thing! Say hllo to Danielle Muscato a person legally identifying as a woman.

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