To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

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I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

I can't access the CPS teaching pack or the Schools Project site any more. I could earlier. Wanted to show DH as he couldn't believe how offensive it is. Can anyone else open it or has it perhaps been removed?

Not sure how I stumbled onto Magdalen, but I can't stop watching her vids. Have you known of her previously, AgentBlue ?

@LegoCaltrops, this link is working for me

www.transgendertrend.com/cps-schools-project-the-erasure-of-sex-and-the-silencing-of-girls/

@Forthispostonly yes I can get on that site but can't access the PDF CPS teacher pack download for schools, nor the Schools Project page, both of which are linked at the top of that site. I could earlier this evening & now neither link is working.

Both links are working for me too:

www.cps.gov.uk/northwest/working_with_you/hate_crime_schools_project/schools_project___lgbt_hate_crime/

www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/cps_lgbt_teacher_pack.pdf

Here's the link:
www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/cps_lgbt_teacher_pack.pdf

"When we go away and there are 2 rooms i share with dd and ds shares with his dad as it would not be appropriate for them to share,"

It's not inappropriate at all for brothers and sisters to share. If you orefer not ti share - fair enough.

Even the fail is on the Adichie side. Tide is turning:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2875741-Misgendering-and-the-Daily-Mail?trending=1

Good points on rooms. Is this going to be the way to get a bigger council house - one of your two teenage girls declares as a boy and then the council must give you that extra bed room?

Having worked for the council in the past, I suspect this might well be taken very seriously and whizz the family way up the priority list.

I have a friend who is struggling with the 'bedroom tax' and has been trying to downsize with no luck. She has 2 DDs. I am flirting with the idea of mentioning to her to try the route of 'one of my daughters identifies as non-binary, so not female' or something. I chose non-binary as surely if you say they identify as the opposite sex then there has to be some proof from a doctor or something? Though if this self-identification thing comes in then I guess you could just say that...

Can i just add that in my workplace this is already happening. Our 'Gender' policy states that any worker is entitled to use the toilets of the gender they identify with.
None of the women or men in my workplace appear to have been consulted about this - i have worked there for 10 years and certainly have never been asked how i feel about it.

In fairness I don't know if we have any trans staff on my floor, however my company spent a huge amount of time and effort getting into the Stonewall top 100 companies lists ( prob not relevant but thought i'd mention it as they want to be progressive).

I chose non-binary as surely if you say they identify as the opposite sex then there has to be some proof from a doctor or something? Though if this self-identification thing comes in then I guess you could just say that...

Non-binary is safer for the child, so she won't be forced to share changing rooms at school with boys. Well, at least as long as none of the boys identify as non-binary.
But boys seem to be more likely to identify as girls; it is more girls who go the non-binary route.

Both of her kids seem to come under 'non-binary' anyway, given neither of them are walking stereotypes (is anyone?!)

Both of her kids seem to come under 'non-binary' anyway, given neither of them are walking stereotypes (is anyone?!)

Trans people seem to make an effort to be, but otherwise, probably not.

Just came across a school photo of me (not in school uniform as we didn't have it in primary school) and at the time I had very short hair, whacky clothes (70s - I did wear dresses but am wearing dungarees in this picture) and I distinctly remember being annoyed that I was mistaken for a boy. But I never, ever wanted to BE a boy. Big difference. Pretty sure I would not have said I was "non-binary" if such a thing had existed.

I haven't received a reply yet from my MP about this but a couple of other people on feminism chat have and it looks like they are all supporting this bill

Call my cynical but the fact that this bill is being kept very quiet is making me very suspicious. I think that they're just trying to sneak it in there without not many people noticing just like what happened in other countries where this bill has already been passed. I know I would have no idea about it if I wasn't a MNer. I think they know fine well that if it was common knowledge that there would be a lot of objection to it.

Call my cynical but the fact that this bill is being kept very quiet is making me very suspicious. I think that they're just trying to sneak it in there without not many people noticing just like what happened in other countries where this bill has already been passed.

Oh yes. Exactly this.

I live in Germany, and all people I tell about this (except for the feminist groups who have all drunk the TransKoolAid and are completely brainwashed) say "Oh, no, this must be fake, I have never heard of such a thing, and certainly, no one ever would propose anything so stupid."

This will probably be done in secret here, too.

Call my cynical but the fact that this bill is being kept very quiet is making me very suspicious. I think that they're just trying to sneak it in there without not many people noticing just like what happened in other countries where this bill has already been passed.

Oh, come off it. How many private members' bills get major publicity? It will have to be published and debated in exactly the same way as every other Parliamentary Bill. As stated repeatedly upthread, the reality is that it stands very little chance of making it into law. Conspiracy theories really don't help in establishing anything resembling a credible argument.

The Gender Identity bill has already been passed in some countries and it has happened pretty much on the quiet. An Irish poster up thread had no idea it had already happened where they are because it had basically been snuck in.

As stated repeatedly upthread, the reality is that it stands very little chance of making it into law

Okay.

Little chance of making it into law this time around. As MPs are demonstrating when any of us try to discuss the many issues for women around it, there is apparently overwhelming political support for it and I have no doubt it's only a matter of time.

The Gender Identity bill has already been passed in some countries and it has happened pretty much on the quiet

But the fact is that that is not constitutionally possible in this country. Honestly, scaremongering really does not help the argument.

Not knowing much about how law is made I looked this up.

How does a bill become a law in Ireland?
A new law starts life as a Bill. A Bill is a proposal for legislation. Apart from Private Members' Bills, Bills are usually initiated by the Government. A Bill may be commenced in either the Dáil or the Seanad but it must be passed by both Houses to become law.
www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/national.../legislation.html

How a bill becomes a law in UK?
A Bill is a proposed law which is introduced into Parliament. Once a Bill has been debated and then approved by each House of Parliament, and has received Royal Assent, it becomes law and is known as an Act. ... Some Bills represent agreed government policy, and these are introduced into Parliament by ministers.
www.gov.uk/guidance/legislative-process-taking-a-bill-through-parliament

Not so different it seems. If it happened in Ireland why couldn't it happen here Mega?

You seem to assume that all men are just waiting to rape or molest you at the first chance and they'll all be running out and buying a dress. They are not. They are just people, some of them feel like women. Some women feel like men.

Some women have histories that mean even the least threatening man is threatening to them.

Some women come from a culture where it is completely unacceptable to share some spaces with men.

Some just feel uncomfortable. I don't like getting changed in a communal space with men or older boys, despite coming from a very liberal Western background and being perfectly happy getting changed with women I don't know. I really don't like it when people bring older boys into women's communal changing rooms, and I would feel massively more uncomfortable if someone who was biologically male came into the changing room. Why bother having a women's changing room at all?

Some men are waiting to rape or molest women and they would have the right to self-declare as women and enter previously women-only spaces.