To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

[TheWorldAccordingToToads]

I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

Have emailed my mp. And emails the WE party asking their stance on this.

What else can I do? Have shared the petition lots but like I say attacked for it elsewhere on the Internet. Doesn't help that it's on such an alt right petition site. I'd write my own one to go on a nuetral/left site if I wasn't so dyslexic- anyone want to write a well worded petition and put somewhere non offensive I will sign & share 100 times over. Pls pls pm any links/better ideas or say here. Anytime, weeks down the line still pm me pls.

Terf and transphobe mean nothing other than you are nasty for not agreeing with EVERYTHING i say.

So does this mean that all th men only spaced (men's clubs, masons etc) will have to accept women if they say they are now male?

Granny equality isn't about treating everyone the same, it's about valuing them equally and treating them fairly, and fair means talking into account individual circumstances, like how females are at much higher risk of male violence so we have taken steps to have female spaces protected from males, and to give females access to female hcp where ever possible.

It's the same as enabling disabled students or employees by providing reasonable adjustments, which is fair and values them as equally important, but it doesn't involve treating them the same.

We afford extra protections to females because they are different from males, and vulnerable to attack from them.

Ofcourse Patricia, but it won't happen because women won't want to put themselves in the middle of groups of entitled men behind closed doors. The same way men arn't complaining about all those nasty ftt who are stealing their toilet spaces or daring to wave their vaginas in mens faces.

So does this mean that all th men only spaced (men's clubs, masons etc) will have to accept women if they say they are now male?

No, they are covered, you have to be invited in by an existing member, and the men will stick together.

Also, apparently English nobility has exemptions for their inheritance laws - women cannot identify into inheriting titles and estates that go to males.

In other words: Women get nothing, except access to men's loos, which we didn't want in the first place.

I read this in the middle of the night. I revisited the thread this morning and this afternoon and have been mulling it over and seeking some opinions. I know nothing of trans debates, and had heard nothing of this specific bill until this thread.
There seems to be lots of rabbit warren debates about toilets and changing rooms and refuges - each with their own specific debates and counter arguments, and to be honest I think they water down the main point. (For example - I can be persuaded that gender neutral toilets individual cubicle loos may be a fairer solution to the toilet specific issue).
However isn't the big picture here that I am a female, and i wish to have female only spaces (for reasons that are personal to me and may differ from female to female). I suspect there are a large group of females who feel the same way. So why are our rights to those spaces less important than the rights of a (I suspect) smaller group of trans women? Why do we have to prove a valid reason to want those spaces to prevent them being taken away?

augustbody, like I said I worked for senior detectives who were great, remember my DCI when someone suggested that he was wasting his time investigating a prostitute being raped. That officer didn't make the same mistake twice.

Can't remember who it was who mentioned scholarships for maths and science but I'm quite happy for them to go to the best person and yes that is how I feel. Funny how the outraged on here are entitled to their feelings but others aren't.

If its OK to say I don't want to be examined by a man/woman is it OK to say I don't want his black hands on me, yes racism. Prejudice is ugly in all its forms.

U2HasThe Edge, have you seen your daughter changing for PE. I volunteer in a school and the ten year old boys and girls all get changed together. They all have a healthy attitude and there is no silliness and no sign of a penis.

DianaMemorial, try telling a girl women are safe when her mother helped her pimp rape her so that she would know what to expect when she started work. Pretty rough for a 14 year old. Mention it to the parents of the children in the Plymouth nursery who were abused by the woman being paid to take care of them.

Sorry I don't believe all men, or even most men, are rapists. When I was young professional women had a hard time and alot of us fought that prejudice. I honestly don't know why we bothered.

Elendon, I have no idea if men are bothered about women in their toilets, I've never tried using a men's loo myself. I did walk into the wrong changing room at the swimming pool once and the guys in their found it hilarious so I don't know that they would be terribly bothered.

Granny equality isn't about treating everyone the same, it's about valuing them equally

Thought this was quite funny in view of how people are talking about men. I haven't noticed alot of valuing them equally, they're all rapists aren't they and they are all just dying to go into the female changing rooms, not very appealing places in my experience at the best of times.

However isn't the big picture here that I am a female, and i wish to have female only spaces (for reasons that are personal to me and may differ from female to female). I suspect there are a large group of females who feel the same way. So why are our rights to those spaces less important than the rights of a (I suspect) smaller group of trans women? Why do we have to prove a valid reason to want those spaces to prevent them being taken away?

I suspect that is because we live in patriarchy and while actual transwomen who want or already had surgery are rare, there are quite some men who like to wear dresses and invade women's spaces (autogynephiles) and even more men who want to get rid of women's spaces.

The end goal is the erosion of women's spaces, and the return to the times when women could not participate in public life because there were no public toilets, so a woman could never be out of walking distance to her house.

It is not about safety for transwomen, that's a red herring. If any male can just identify his way into women's spaces, then transwoman are as safe or unsafe in women's spaces as in men's spaces.

Granny:
Do you not believe that there are still enormous imbalances in the numbers of men and women in science, or do you not think it matters?

Do you not believe that there are enormous imbalances in the numbers of men and women who carry out sex attacks, or do you not think it matters?

Do you not believe that my daughter, who started periods at 9, preferred to change away from the boys, or do you not think her opinion matters?

Gosh Granny you don't like men or women. Care to share your experience?

When I was young professional women had a hard time and alot of us fought that prejudice. I honestly don't know why we bothered.

And yet you believe that people have 'girl' brains and 'boy' brains??

try telling a girl women are safe when her mother helped her pimp rape her so that she would know what to expect when she started work. Pretty rough for a 14 year old. Mention it to the parents of the children in the Plymouth nursery who were abused by the woman being paid to take care of them.

Granny wtf has that got to do with what I said to you?

I'm sick of TRA supporters reverting to the 'oh but women rape too...!'

Yeah? What's your fucking point. It's got fuck all to do with letting men into women's refuges and women's hospital wards

Just fuck off im done with this shit.

And to the menz who fancy a punt by trying to enter the women's loos, rest assured you will be sorry if it's me you try to jump.

I don't give a shiny shite if this gets deleted.

That should have said 'women sexually assault too'

In my hysteria I'm not making any ducking sense.

Fucking!

Fuck fuck fuck fucking!

they're all rapists aren't they and they are all just dying to go into the female changing rooms

Some are ,yes.

www.matchdoctor.com/blog_161888/Transgender_sex_disorders_are_the_leading_indicator_of_criminal_sexual_behavior.html

Granny you are reading a different thread if you think everyone here is claiming men are rapists.

And as I have already said on several of these threads I was sexually abused by my mother as well as the many men she handed me over to, from toddler years +.

I prefer a make therapist. I had a much much easier labour as I felt much safer with a male midwife than I did with the first and third female ones. But I am more comfortable with a female doing my smears etc. And I should be allowed that choice where ever possible. Because it's my individual experience of being abused that effects my choices relating to hcp- not your idea of what they should or shouldn't be. I should be accorded that respect and dignitiy. As other women should be able to chose what they are most comfortable with.

Granny I'm astonished you've been in the police and don't recognize that your talking about people with a recognized sexual disorder being able to act that out in public.

And granny don't talk for me. Because I am that girl whose mother pimped me out. Only her sexual assault of me began as a baby. And the first rates were before I started primary school. So I can speak up about how I find safe or not, and I will let other women, victims or not, speak for their choices. Right now I feel distinctly unsafe with you're attitude.

U2HasThe Edge, have you seen your daughter changing for PE. I volunteer in a school and the ten year old boys and girls all get changed together. They all have a healthy attitude and there is no silliness and no sign of a penis.

Our school allow the girls to go to another room or the loo if they need to

wobbly

wobbly I've welled up. So sorry you had to go through that