To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

[TheWorldAccordingToToads]

I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

Women have forums and speak out a lot against issues they don't like. Why then are male to females not campaigning to be able to go into male toilets? They should be leading the way! C'mon, surely your issue is toilet led?

No one has been called transphobic for refusing to give a trans man a face over in a store, because I bet no one was refused the face over. Has anyone refused to sell to a male to female shoes? No never. It's all

bull

shit.

The point is some people do care very much that they are examined by a doctor of the same sex and that is an entirely valid and understandable choice.

No no for not use arrogant toddlers. I have a very arrogant toddler, but she knows girls and mummys have 'gyna's' and boys and daddys have penushes. She maybe arrogant but she is way smarter that TA'S.

I don't have facebook (and won't for safety reasons) but I speak up all the time on Twitter. And I did on other forums I occasionally use, but got warnings...... anything else I can do? Everything I deal with irl on day to day basis concerns disability but I would argue this to fk if I came across it.

Can anyone explain why they think the bill will replace 'sex' with 'gender identify' as a protected characteristic?

@JCo24 can you give examples of the transphobia you have seen on this thread please?

The bill will not replace sex with gender identity. Op was mistaken. It will however, replace sex reassignment with gender identity. Gender identity directly conflicts with sex and one will have to take precedence over the other. All evidence so far points to gender identity superseding sex.

I've never thought it an issue to be examined by a male doctor or male nurse. They are professional people, their private life is none of my business.

Well, that is great for you. I am genuinely glad that it is not an issue for you.

But what if you did mind for whatever reason and asked for a female HCP only to be faced with a man?

sibys1 rtft, it's already been answered several times.

I've posted, had one very useful, passionate debate. I also lost one very bigoted friend who deletes anyone who disagrees with her and agrees with no platforming. Win win.

Link to some of the excellent content provided on this thread, or even to this post and say something like "Interesting debate on potential change to womens rights". You don't have say which side your on but someone may read it.

We shouldn't be scared to fight for women and children. They need us. People in Rotherham stayed silent for similar reasons. Personally if I don't nail my posts to the wall I couldn't live with myself. Children are being harmed and women are being bullied. They deserve to be defended.

Transphobia my arse. Why should women have to politely shut up and put up so that men can act out their sexual fetishes publicly?

transgenderreality.com/tag/masturbation/

Transphobic posts are not allowed on MN. Please report the ones you've seen and point them out here so others can help you report.

It is NOT however transphobic to discuss and question gender self identification. It's still legal. Just about.

Granny it is about choice and if one died express the choice the right not to be called a terf, frigid, or be at risk of being prosecuted for hate crime. Where I work I want to be able to express choice and not risk getting the sack.

augustbody, if I need to see a doctor I don't expect a line up. I am grateful for what the NHS provides and count my blessings. I have 4 children and had 4 male obstetricians and they were all great, I have had male and female GPs, all great, never occurred to me to discriminate. Is that what we were fighting for back in the 60s and 70s? I thought it was so that people weren't judged on the basis of what sex they were but that they could do the job.

The transwomen I have met, only 2 I can think of off hand, were nice people who dealt with their situation with great dignity.

After 20 years working in a large police force I can honestly say if I was raped I would prefer to be interviewed by my old DI who was a male, the female who replaced him? No I would have been more uncomfortable with her. It is the person not the genitals that make the difference in my experience.

Typical Wombphobes, coming on here with out any evidence of Transphopic behaviour or valid arguments, calling us out for telling the truth. No ones buying it anymore. Sad really it's all they have left. This is no longer an issue rad fems or lesbians are fighting on their own. The genies out of bottle and its not going back. Its main stream now and us wombers are angry.

Hellothereitsme unfortunately that sounds alot like the sort of thing I heard being said about women in the 60s and 70s. It was used to women and ethnic minority people. I remember hearing it about doctors in particular e.g. I'm not going to trust some slip of a girl or I'm not having his black hands on me. Maybe it seems different to younger people but to women who were trying to be treated like professionals back then it might bring back feelings.

Granny. It isn't about you and your feelings though. It is about the word women being erased. It is the fact that girls will have to compete with boys in sport. It is the fact that female scholarships for maths and science could be won by boys identifying as girls. Etc etc etc huge implications. It is also the right to ask for a woman GP not being taken away from me. I don't want a man giving my mum a bed bath. With gender identity being a protected characteristic I won't be allowed to stop the man identifying as a woman giving me a smear.

Yes the lovely male police officers who are so supportive didnt think I needed victim support or that the crime was really that serious as my attempted rape and strangulation was not successful.

Let real victims dictate how they should be treated. Not having my crime treated seriously affected me just as much as the attack. They blamed me for not being more careful ffs. They made me feel shame. I don't think a police woman would have done that. Fuck off.

Maybe it seems different to younger people but to women who were trying to be treated like professionals back then it might bring back feelings.

You are aware, I hope, that males can, and do, request male doctors if they want to, and get male doctors?

And that actual, real women who therefore struggled to be treated as professionals are real women, and therefore, anything that might offend the trans does not apply to them.

Also, since you are happy to compare women not wanting our spaces invaded by males to racism, do you also think the race identity of Rachel Dolezal should be treated equally to the gender identity of transwomen?
(Rachel Dolezal is transblack, i.e. she was born white, but now identifies as black.)

It is the person not the genitals that make the difference in my experience.

Try telling that to a woman that has been sexually abused for years and is called for her first smear test.

Try telling that to a woman who has had to flee domestic abuse and must go into a refuge

Try telling that to the old lady who is bed ridden and can't clean her self so must be bathed by nurses

I don't even know what kind of world I'm living in any more. People are so worried about being seen as open minded their brains are falling out.

I do not want my 10 year old developing daughter to have to share a changing space with a boy/man with a penis. I can not imagine this will pass thank god but the fact that men are being sent to women's prisons, competing in women's sports etc is bad enough.

I am scared of where all this is going.

granny your entire posts are based on you and your feelings.

I am surprised that after 20 years in a large police force you lack the empathy to understand why a woman might be uncomfortable being intimately examined by a man.

It is the person not the genitals that make the difference in my experience.

If that's the case then why don't men accept women into male toilets? Why do MtF's feel the need to go into women's toilets? They both share a biological sex, so why can't they get along and accept one another?

They being male and males to females.