To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

[TheWorldAccordingToToads]

I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

Surely, surely where there is greater risk of harm, there should be greater burden of proof?

There is greater risk of harm to women and girls from gender self-identification, so there should remain a greater burden on men and boys to prove that they warrant re-identification.

I need to go and ask my daughter if she has seen that CPS pack at school. If so, that would explain some of the claptrap she and her brother have been coming out with lately.

EnormousTiger has her own island, I do believe. Maybe she pees there

What can we do though? That's a real question. If we object it's akin to a hate crime. I'm sure we'll get another post shortly about how we don't 'understand' trans issues.

The consensus seems to be that no one is against it, just the implications that you can merely state you identify as another gender. Thus potentially putting others at risk.

Not to stir the pot, but as a hypothetical example against it, what abusive partner wouldn't claim to identify as a woman, come up with a story of abuse, just to track down their victim. Of course the opposite too before someone screams men can be abused too.

Raking what have they been saying?

This is so messed up.

In the interests of impartiality, that screen shot of the 'lesbians girls shouldn't have a problem giving blow jobs to people with penises' came from one of the collaborators on the pack, Gendered Intelligence. It's from a leaflet. It may or may not contain the exact same scenario for boys giving cunnilingus to self identified men. You have to buy the booklet as it's not free.

From what I've seen of the one way nature of this, I seriously doubt it though.

Wasn't it Owen Jones (gay) who said lesbians should give blowjobs to transwomen but recoiled in horror when it was suggested he do the same to a transman?

Those vulnerable, such as rape victims, domestic violence victims, usually jobs have the right to specify who they employ. Any charity, organisation or professional body, will recognise that this could be harmful and put measures in place.

Tell that to the women who were sexually assaulted in a women's shelter in Canada when a man who self identified as a woman was allowed in.

AFAIW no one has ever posted about how we don't understand trans issues. It's never happened.

You know if a man wants to kill someone he will.

Not to stir the pot, but as a hypothetical example against it, what abusive partner wouldn't claim to identify as a woman, come up with a story of abuse, just to track down their victim.

According to the transideology, all males turn into harmless little cherubs as soon as they enter women's spaces (rephrasing some other poster who said it better than I could), so this cannot, would not ever happen.

According to real life ... of fucking course it will happen, and I would not be surprised if it already has, that exact same way.

Men identifying into women's spaces to have access to vulnerable women they can assault has happened.

Bev, that link? What the actual fuck?

The bit with the pink and blue brains - it says it is your brain which tells you if you are a boy or a girl? So how do I know I have a girl's brain? Is it because I quite like wearing make up and dresses?

I have done a small amount of reading around this. It seems that the accepted conclusion is that there is no 'boy' and 'girl' brain beyond the release of hormones, as there was overlap between male and female brains. For example, men tend to have better spatial awareness in certain situations but there were also were also women who had good spatial awareness as well, so it's not a solely male brain thing.

They also compared men's brains to that of transwomen. There were no differences within the parameters of what makes a brain 'male'. They did find some differences with the trans brains but that had more in common with people who have anorexia.

So perhaps trans people are 'hardwired' differently, but not in the way that propaganda suggests? How can such misinformation be allowed to be spread?

A pink brain???????

They did find some differences with the trans brains but that had more in common with people who have anorexia.

Not surprised.
Also don't think trans will have to have brain scans before being allowed to identify their way into women's spaces.

Strange, I never got the idea to ask the man sitting next to me on the train to move as I identified as overweight and taking up two seats.

If the transnonsense gains traction here, I think I will start doing exactly that. (I do not suffer from anorexia or other body image diseases, but what can they do? Force me to have a brain scan?)

I think I might steer the kids into this debate by pointing out that most things they are taught in school are vastly oversimplified (they're used to me going on about this for science subjects in general anyway).

Could be more productive than just being the boring old fart who hasn't kept up to date with new genders.

Anorexia is just as prevalent in males as in females. Just as being overweight is just as prevalent in males as in females.

I realise you've flounced Iris but could you please consider answering a query of mine if you ever come back?

You have expressed quite a lot of concern about the safety of trans women and how using the mens toilets might be dangerous for them as they could be assaulted by violent men; a concern which I completely understand btw.

However at the same time you seem to be in support of this bill and in favour of gender self identification but surely that conflicts with trans women being at risk in the men's toilets? If gender self identification is made law then what is stopping a violent man from self identifying his way into the women's toilets and assaulting trans women there instead?

This question has been asked several times before when discussions such as this come up but it is yet to be answered.

Will synagogues, mosques and temples be able to keep men out of the women only spaces? Or are they all transphobic bigots as well?

Where are you getting that figure from, Elendon (nosy)? I've seen figures of 11% males for anorexia, higher for all eating disorders but still under a third of the total.

Transwomen have male brains. But they do have a difference in the part connected to body image. But whether it's innate or the result of long 'rumination about their body' they don't know know.

We all know gender dysphoria is real. It's just doesn't mean you have the 'wrong' brain.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/digest.bps.org.uk/2011/11/02/male-to-female-transsexuals-have-male-brains/amp/

I am also really at the posts which say 'do you really think that men are going to start saying they are women just so they can get into female changing rooms'?

Huh?

Do you know the lengths some men go to to commit crimes? Why do you think there are women's refuges? Why do you think some women are so afraid to leave their abusive partners, even if they moved far away? Why do you think some men spend months manipulating people to groom kids they want to sexually abuse? What about someone who drugs his wife for months before suffocating her and her dog and chucking them in the cess pit of their house? Just as a few examples.

Why do people think that men just won't bother with women's spaces if they have free and unfettered access to them? Bizarre!

In effect, we are being asked to avoid 'hate crimes' against a group even without any evidence that they may belong to that group.

August there's a 2015 meta analysis of 60/70+ studies (dr lise elliot) that shows at birth the is no fictional distinction between male and female brains. The release of hormones through out our life time changes that to some extent. There are other expert names in the field as well as elliot.

Pink and Blue brain theory is based on (iirc) a small handfull if non peer reviewed studies of only transwomen who had already been talking hormones for a considerable length of time. It's littlerally creationism being taking as evolution

(I'm single and live with my sons. (I sold my island but that was baout being alone too so perhaps I just socialise less than other people)).

And I don't that 'if a man wants to kill a women he will' is a reason to invite him into a woman's refugue

Sybil1 said
Haven't RTFT, sorry.From looking at the summary of the bill, it proposes to substitute 'gender reassignment' for the previously-existing 'gender reassignment' protected characteristic in the Equality Act. That's quite different from how the OP has characterised the bill

From the Gov website
Summary of the Gender Identity (Protected Characteristic) Bill 2016-17

A Bill to make gender identity a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 in place of gender reassignment and to make associated provision for transgender and other persons; and for connected purposes.

From gov website
The Equality Act 2010The Equality Act 2010 legally protects people from discrimination in the workplace and in wider society.

It replaced previous anti-discrimination laws with a single Act, making the law easier to understand and strengthening protection in some situations. It sets out the different ways in which it’s unlawful to treat someone.

It's all so scary.

And I don't that 'if a man wants to kill a women he will' is a reason to invite him into a woman's refugue

Yes, you often hear this 'if a man wants to rape a woman he will do it anyway' as a way of putting all the responsibility of ensuring that rape doesn't happen firmly onto the shoulders of women.

Saying 'if a man wants to kill someone he will do it whatever' does not mean we should just be letting men into women only places Willy nilly!

*Does anyone else feel like complaining on here or just stopping this legislation isnt enough?

That we shoud be protesting and getting out voices heard?*

I agree. I feel both furious and impotent in the face of the TERF/transphobic insult backlash if you speak up elsewhere but I do want to do more.