To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

[TheWorldAccordingToToads]

I'm a nervous wreck right now

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared .

Please don't transplain, SEX will be deleted as it has in the USA and Canada and be replaced with Gender Self ID, therefore a woman will be someone who identifies as such, not a human being of the female variety.

Do your research - that's what I did, and what I found was scary.

fairplayforwomen.com/unintended-consequences-house-commons-debate-transgender-equality

And as I said, the law is kinda immaterial as it's already here and already happening - see Green Party women now being open to 'non males'

PS there are many, many brilliant threads on mumsnet on this topic, go and read them and then come back and rebutt what we're saying.

I'm not chopping wood and carrying water for flagwavers, the onus is on them to prove to us we're wrong, not the other way around.

It's the huge levels of apathy and the screaming of bigot at entirely reasonable people asking reasonable questions that go us into this mess.

I'm tired of spoon feeding people who are so blind they can't see.

Do some legwork, figure it out, and then come back and me / us we're wrong.

*to say why you think we're wrong

Its a private members bill by Maria miller mo supported by three other mp's. Its not a government bill and is highly unlikely to get anywhere near enough support to be voted through and passed into law. Still worth emailling both your own mp and copying in Maria miller , with concerns.

I'm still completely shock that the CPS are now saying that girls who are uncomfortable with changing in front of boys who identify as girls are committing a hate crime. Really now?!HTF can feeling uncomfortable be considered a hate crime? Feeling uncomfortable is exactly that, a feeling! It's not something that can be controlled and if you feel uncomfortable, you feel uncomfortable!Surely that cannot be right!Jesus Christ!

Replace 'boys who identify as girls' with 'black'.

Doesn't look so unreasonable as a hate crime now does it?

Precisely, the law is the last hurrah

it's already here, look up the hoo has with the Girl Guides

Even the NSPCC said there was no safeguarding risk with men who identify as women being leaders and going on residentials as anyone who says they are female IS female.

it's insanity and it's very sexist

Replace handing someone a bunch of flowers with punching them in the face. Race and sex or gender are not the same thing.

White girls not wanting to change in front of black girls absolutely would be hateful. Girls not wanting male bodied people in space where they are naked is absolutely not comparable, what a disgusting thing to say.

thepurplefig.com/happy-womens-day-we-need-to-talk-about-transactivism-and-womens-rights/

People are talking about it...

You do know that lesbians exist right? We seem to have coped with sharing female spaces with lesbians and bisexuals without many problems?
I really don't get the level of hysteria on this thread. They have unisex toilets and spaces all over Europe.
Why is it OK to specify 'not a man' bit its not OK to specify 'not someone black' - you may have been assaulted by someone black/wearing polka dots/with a mickey mouse tattoo.
Why can't we accept that we are all people - with everything that entails.

Has anyone in the UK actually been prosecuted for objecting to changing in front of a boy who identifies as a girl?

Hello - or the word breast

The OPs argument is that 'feeling uncomfortable' (and wanting things organised becuase of that feeling) is not a hate crime. There's no difference between feeling uncomfortable because someone is black or because is someone is male.
Both are physical characteristics.
Not disgusting to point out illogical statements.

What have lesbians got to do with trans women - this is sex not sexual orientation

The anaology with race is black activists being forced to have white peope who identify as black in their spaces, or centred in their movement, or called bigots for not wanting white people in black colleges. Race laws protect teh oppressed from the oppressor.

A white person saying, I'm a fast runner, love rice and peas, am a fan of hip hop, and having a spray tan and perming their hair would be HUGELY offensive to black people, they call it blackface, and it's horribly racist.

And yes men saying I've always been a woman cos I'm sexually subservient, like make up, and I like watching guinea pig vids on the internet and always played with dolls (GENDER) is supposedly NOT offensive.

Here's what one transwoman thinks of women, this is what he thinks women are like, this is how they talk about us (this person also wrote a sex tips column for GIRLS)
www.vice.com/en_us/article/paris-lees-the-21-sexiest-things-about-sex-696

If you don't believe me go and read some trans threads on reddit, these dudes have a very WARPED idea of what a woman is, and don't make the mistake of mixing up transsexuals with transgender ... two VERY different things indeed.

Sexism works both ways,
Many posters on this thread seem to think that men will self identify as female to look at female bodies and get women on their own to assault them.

I assume that most of you don't use toilets and changing rooms that are serviced by men. God forbid (whisper it) a male personage should catch a glimpse of my lacy underpinnings.......

What have lesbians got to do with trans women - this is sex not sexual orientation

I know the difference, but a lot of concern seems to be about being looked at and/or assualted by someone who is sexually attracted to women.

Duck does your definition of minority groups include people with disabilities?

Is my very vulnerable little girl who has asd, social anxiety and selective mutism committing a hate crime when she has a full on panic attack when a boy enters the girls school toilets? Because that's what would happen for her. Followed by outright school refusal and phobias developing again. She has no reason to fear boys, she just does and because of her disabilities no amount of reassurance makes any difference. She's 7 and I have only just managed to get her back into school and get her over her toilet phobia after years of hard work, but a bit who prefers pink matters more according to moj???

What about the school in American that took down the prude flag because a transgirl objected, and that biological male matters more than the lesbian who had petitioned to have it up in the first place.

As for being shocked by a six foot woman with a beard - there are quite a few women who don't meet the standards of feminity implied here!

sexually attracted to women and exhibiting male patterns/ levels of violence.

And this is in no way similar to saying "black" as opposed to "man who's decided he's a woman for the afternoon" to say so is offensive.

Look at the levels of oppression people of colour have experienced, segregation, violence, slavery and compare it to "a man who has decided he is a woman".

If you think they're the same thing then you perhaps needed to join Trump when someone held his hand through the history of people of colour in America. Smh. So much privilege that we are just totally blind to.

"I assume that most of you don't use toilets and changing rooms that are serviced by men. God forbid (whisper it) a male personage should catch a glimpse of my lacy underpinnings...'

Did you mean to sound so pervy?

a boy who prefers pink trivialising much?
What about a biologically male child who has social anxiety, school refusal and panic attacks because they identify as female and being treated as male makes them anxious and phobic?
See they are both children and should be treated as people not as 'sexes'.
I hope that you daughter gets the help that she needs because having a boy or male phobia must be terribly disabling. Excluding a trans child from the toilet is not the answer.

Iris lesbians are women. Lesbians have been using women's spaces forever because they are women. There is no incentive for female sex offenders to pretend to be lesbian to access women's spaces. There are no reports of women being attacked by lesbians in women's spaces. There are no reports of women hiding camera and recording equipment to record other women on the toilet.
It is ridiculous to equate lesbians to either trans women or predatory men pretending to be women. The vast vast vast majority of sexual predators are male.

you may have been assaulted by someone black/wearing polka dots/with a mickey mouse tattoo.

It's just that to rape somebody, what you need is superior strength and a penis.

But maybe there is a debate to be had about having more unisex spaces. It might make buildings more efficient. Certainly unisex cubicled changing areas have made things easier for parents with children of the opposite sex.

However, making a space unisex is not the same as allowing somebody to enter a single sex area purely on the basis of identity.

Who decides what constitutes gender identity disorder from 'a man who decides he's a woman for the afternoon.'? (Another example of trivialising BTW)
Who are you to decide what gender another person is? Do you challenge people who 'look male' in female changing rooms amd toilets? There are plenty of those at my gym.
And yes, I was deliberately sounding 'pervy' in a previous post, because that is what this is about for most of you on here. Obsessed with a bloke who (you imagine) wants to look up your knickers.
Its about behaviour in public spaces and not about the sex of those using them. Its about recognising personhood and respecting others. I don't like people using the toilets who leave it in a mess but I'm not going to ban them.