To wonder how males are allowed to compete and win in female sports

[Bambambini]

NZ weight lifter Tracey Lebrechts has had her nationsl records broken and her place in the National team taken by a male Laurel Hubbard - previously Gavin. How is this fair and just why is this allowed?

www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/nz-weightlifting-body-stands-decision-let-first-transgender-weightlifter-compete

Soubriquet - I hope your daughter never experiences any kind of discrimination for being different. Though to be fair the discrimination might very well come from you.

Being a woman is bloody difficult Astoria you know what we get on! We don't seek to infiltrate anyone else's territory or undermine their unique female experiences regarding periods, child birth menopause etc.

Nope it's as ever fucking men wanting to be treated better than women.

There are women's sports and men's sports if that's not good enough for anyone start your own sports.

I really feel for Trans sports women in this situation its crap. They just want to do the thing they love

There is nothing stopping them doing the thing the love. Why do they need to do it with female women? Why can't they do it with other trans women? Is it because they would have less of an advantage and so less likely to win?

Women's sport is going to disappear if this carries on. We have situation now where there are three men on the winner's podium in female events.

Any mediocre male athlete who wants ton break records and win medals can decide that pink and flowers are nice and remember that he cried when Bambi's mother got shot - he must be female! Move aside vagina-havers...

i really feel for trans women in this situation it's crap

No it's life jog on like the rest of us and don't expect special treatment so you can win against other women by cheating.

I appreciate that since this is MN the anger is one way and directed and men who trans (including the full use of caps, bold etc to place the emphasis on the word man - I get the safe space argument, I disagree with the sacrificing trans to mens bathrooms based on fear, the Cotton Ceiling concept is fucking creepy and I totally get the sports thing but the passport ire confuses me) but this also needs addressed going the other way.

A teenage woman is beating other teenage women in wrestling because she is transitioning to a man. But she has a vagina, not a penis so is stuck (despite wanted to wrestle as a man). This needs more thought on all sides.

"We have situation now where there are three men on the winner's podium in female events."

Which event was this?

It's pathetic for a man to compete in women's sport.
Can you imagen what the olympics will be like in 10years time? Men at top of all the women's competitions so basically will just be men competing against each other in everything.

the passport ire confuses me

It's a passport. It's a legal record of facts about the holder that entitles them to access different things based on the information recorded on it. The word female has a very sepecific meaning. It's not open to interpretation. It's a fact that cannot be changed. Why on earth it has been deemed possible to legally record someone's sex incorrectly is beyond me.

"There is nothing stopping them doing the thing the love. Why do they need to do it with female women? Why can't they do it with other trans women? Is it because they would have less of an advantage and so less likely to win?"

A TW's road cycle team has been formed in a the US. So they can cycle together which must be great for them. They also cycle as a team in women's competitions.

Astoria there are at least two regular posters on here who have trans gendered children. Both of them have had nothing but support and sympathy for what they and their children are going through... from those people you are so quick to label bigoted.

In fact there is even a trans woman who has posted on this thread. She agrees with the OP on this and also disagrees with trans women being allowed to compete in women's sport and allowed into women's spaces in general. Is she trans phobic and bigoted too?

Keeptrudging

DD plays rugby. Girls rugby, against girls. It's already potentially dangerous without her having to play against boys/men when she's older. It would force the end of the sport.

I posted fairly recently as a headmistress, asking if I should allow the traditionally boys and girls football teams to become mixed and girls. The overwhelming majority of intelligent and reasoned replies were against my initial thoughts, suggesting that anything other than girls and mixed up to the end of secondary school was holding back girls. One posted said that it was sad that someone in a position to help was ignoring their responsibility.

Assuming your DD is a girl under 14 then it seems mixed teams are acceptable according to the current guidelines. I suspect those who were so vehemently against keeping the two teams I discussed as sex-segregated will equal be against a man competing in women's sport.

It seems "peak-trans" is a fairly nasty way of saying 'I don't care about the cause of them'. Funnily enough, I don't get the same acceptance when I suggest that I hit peak-feminist in the late 80s.

I hope your daughter never experiences the disappointment at failing at her sport because she knows a man will always beat her.

I suspect (as I don't think I've met a trans-anyone) that it is a tougher hand to be dealt than not winning at sports.

Again, that argument didn't hold water when I was told that having a mixed football team, despite 14 of the players likely to be male, the one girl who may make the team would benefit and it was therefore worth having mixed soccer up until 18.

Call people bigots and goady is a really lazy and hate filled way of assuming superiority and closing down arguments and opinions.

Indeed doyouwantabrew

Thanks for the virtue signalling trifle, now how about you give a decent argument as to why it's completely fine for trans women to compete against women in a sporting capacity? You've surely not just joined the thread to tell everyone off have you? You will want to support your opinion won't you?

Trifle - Tracy Lambrechts isn't happy about losing her records and place on the national squad to a male. She has been vocal about it - nasty bigot that she is.

And we obviously don't have enough coverage on what's happening to female sports on this issue - but i do my best.

Keep - I totally agree.

I would also like details of the fb group referred to above. Pls can someone msg me? Thanks very much.

Bambambini: I have no issue with her unhappiness. I'm sure, however, that if she is a nice person she has no wish to also be a Trojan horse for anti-trans activists.

Zilphas doyouwantabrew
I love it when your comment gets picked out in bold rather than look at the full comment.
I agreed they shouldn't be competing with women, its not fair. which is what i said!

scottishdiem
I would imagine, although i don't know that, the comment about podium wins relates to the womens 800m in Rio last year???????? Although my understanding is thats not a trans issue rather a raised testosterone issue.

We really need a specific forum for trans hate so the rest of us can avoid it. I thought having Feminism hidden would do it, but obviously not

So she just shuts up then like a good little girl as her career goes down the toilet to a man?? Wow trifle the 1950s are calling you back

It's not trans-hate to say that it's unfair for a man to compete against women in an event like this.

MsGameandWatch: I didn't say I think it is okay. It is the result of a clash between two irreconcilable sets of rights. But this thread on the matter, and most of them in fact, stinks of bigotry. I have an issue with that.

Doyouwantabrew: I have no issue with saying the situation is problematic. What I object to is the hatred.

trans hate really where?