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Tap Dancing around the Truth with Trump - 44 days in for POTUS 45.

937 replies

Dumdedumdedum · 06/03/2017 15:21

The Trump thread, continued from here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2867981-I-never-met-someone-from-NM-to-discuss-MN-Honest-Trump-thread-cont?watched=1&msgid=67412870#67412870

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GingerIvy · 06/03/2017 20:14

Reuters Top News‏Verified account @Reuters 2m2 minutes ago
More
GM to lay off 1,100 workers in Michigan after a domestic production shift. Here's Data Dive: reut.rs/2lUpSNH

More chip chip chipping away at his fan base as jobs disappear.

GingerIvy · 06/03/2017 20:18

Video of it on here.

Steve Kopack‏Verified account @SteveKopack 21m21 minutes ago
Ben Carson just referred to slaves as "immigrants"

"There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships..." pic.twitter.com/WkFrm3dYCB

Lweji · 06/03/2017 20:24

Maybe Carson could be shipped at the bottom of a boat to ISIS and then let us know how he felt.

Weedsnseeds1 · 06/03/2017 20:24

I just looked up Ben Carson. He's black!
To be charitable, maybe he was talking about the white indentured labourers, who were conned into leaving for the Americas prior to the Transatlantic slave trade, only to find they were effectively slaves, who could be bought and sold as chattels? They might have left with dreams if a better life, but certainly didn't end up with one!

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/03/2017 20:24

Really interesting programme on R4 at the moment - Prof Mary Beard on women in power.

Talking about how women are excluded from power and painted in less than glowing terms compared with male counterparts - comparing Trump and Hillary with Perseus and Medusa.

Bigly thread. Thanks Dumdedum

TheMysteriousJackelope · 06/03/2017 20:31

Ben Carson mused that that the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain in so I don't rate his common sense very highly, for all his surgical abilities.

Why is he in charge of Housing and Urban Development? A successful career as a neurosurgeon with no experience in urban renewal, social housing (apart from having lived in it at one time) is no preparation for the job.

saffronwblue · 06/03/2017 20:31

Great thread. Can you imagine the behind the scenes discussions at the FBI?

cozietoesie · 06/03/2017 20:33

saffron

Myself, I'd have thought it would be very grim and tight-lipped across there. Wink

GingerIvy · 06/03/2017 20:35

Ron Pollack‏ @Ron_Pollack Mar 3
This violates promises made by Trump & cong Repubs-- jeopardizing low-income kids', seniors', & disabled folks' lifeline: outrageous harm! twitter.com/first_focus/status/837839517331644417

GingerIvy · 06/03/2017 20:36

Pamela Falk‏Verified account @PamelaFalk 3m3 minutes ago
#Breaking US Japan South Korea request URGENT SecCouncil consultations @UN on #NorthKorea no date set @CBSNews @wachteltweet @nikkihaley pic.twitter.com/ZOXKTBDVSB

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/03/2017 20:39

Oh god ginger - this is really not the time to have the posturing orange poltroon with his finger on the nuclear codes is it?

cozietoesie · 06/03/2017 20:42

Just so, Pain.

cozietoesie · 06/03/2017 20:50

Comedy is known as a bit of a 'straight-shooter'. (They can't really cope with that in Washington.) Wink

cozietoesie · 06/03/2017 20:51

Sorry. Comey. (My autocorrect is reminding me of its existence. Grin)

BiglyBadgers · 06/03/2017 20:57

US spies have 'considerable intelligence' on high-level Trump-Russia talks, claims ex-NSA analyst
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-collusion-campaign-us-spies-nsa-agent-considerable-intelligence-a7613266.html

GingerIvy · 06/03/2017 20:59

Bore No, but then it's never a good time.

Note that Chaffetz wouldn't touch the Trump-Russia stuff with a bargepole but he's all over the Obama nonsense from Trump. God, he's such a putz.

Daniel Dale‏Verified account @ddale8 6h6 hours ago
Jason Chaffetz promises a vigorous investigation into Obama. twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/838768549132816385

amispartacus · 06/03/2017 21:02

I have so few certainties to cling to nowadys that when you aren't the OP it makes me feel edg

nevertheless

I do have some work to do Grin I do work at home but was out all day today. However, it seems my unwritten orders were followed. But people can't prove I gave those orders.

amispartacus · 06/03/2017 21:04

Really interesting programme on R4 at the moment - Prof Mary Beard on women in power

I heard that - would make a fascinating thread.

cozietoesie · 06/03/2017 21:07

.... But people can't prove I gave those orders....

Grin
BoreOfWhabylon · 06/03/2017 21:07

It would ami but I barely have time to keep up with this one Grin

Link for anyone interested
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08gx81w

Natsku · 06/03/2017 21:08

I would love a badge MsHoolies can paypal you postage

Towards the end of the last thread people were talking about Sweden reintroducing conscription - worth bearing in mind that they only ended conscription 7 years ago and during that time they realised volunteers weren't filling enough of the spaces left by the conscripts so probably shouldn't be considered as such big news.

GingerIvy · 06/03/2017 21:08

Natasha Bertrand‏Verified account @NatashaBertrand

breaking news editor @BusinessInsider
1m1 minute ago
Trump told Planned Parenthood its funding could stay if it stopped providing abortions. PP rejected the offer > nyti.ms/2mxNOd1

cozietoesie · 06/03/2017 21:10

In and of itself, maybe not so, Natsku. Unfortunately...........

AcrossthePond55 · 06/03/2017 21:15

Forgive me, I've just been reading Michael Moore saying he wished Obama had ordered wire-tapping in Trump Towers because that would prove Trump was in collusion with Russia over rigging the election. I don't get it - it Obama did have that proof, why didn't he use it to stop Trump being inaugurated? Again, am I missing something? (Sorry for these stupid questions. Across, I know you explained it beautifully but now I've lost the plot again..)

You haven't lost the plot Dum, because there IS no discernible 'plot' when it comes to Trump.

Bottom line is that IF Obama had ordered a tap and it had turned up hardcore evidence of a Trump/Russia/meddling connection, Obama never would have 'held on to it' and allowed the election to proceed. Ergo, either A) Obama did NOT order a tap or B) there was no evidence of 'meddling'. I'm going with option A.

I think Michael Moore is just saying that IF a tap had been done, proof would have been found without addressing the fact that he also believes that Obama would have spoken out at that time.

I personally think that there was 'some proof of something' but not enough proof to actually justify disqualifying Trump from continuing to run or to bar his taking office once elected. This is the information that Obama's Administration disseminated across the various branches of Govt to avoid it being 'lost' (i.e. destroyed) when Trump took over the White House. This is the information, IMO, that is now being gathered together and studied. Again, it's not enough by itself, but hopefully it can lead to further revelations.