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AIBU to think women should take responsibility for their own happiness and leave an unhappy marraige?

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PhilCoulsonsLeftHand17 · 03/03/2017 12:41

Name changed as it could be outing if anyone finds the original post this is from.

Read a thread somewhere else 'Ode to Self Sacrifice' from a woman who no longer loves her husband, doesnt find him attractive now but "rolls over" and lets him have sex with her while wishing she was elsewhere or with someone else, fantasises daily with thoughts of leaving with the kids, thinks of how her life could be better without him and telling herself that after the kids are older she can have the life she wants. She claims its just a mothers love and as a 'mother' she has to sacrifice her happiness and stay.

Personally (apart from the women who have been beaten down by years of abuse and have no support to leave which is not the case here) I think she should take some responsibility for herself and her own happiness. She is living a lie and it would be better for everyone if she split. I am sure her kids have picked up on her unhappiness and her husband deserves to find someone who actually loves him back surely?

What happens in 10 years when the kids find out she only stayed 'for them'? How are they going to feel knowing she was unhappy all that time?
What if something happens and she cant leave in 10 years time? Does she continue to live a lie?
What does she tell her husband? "I have not loved you for 10 years, I have bewen lying to you all this time and I am leaving you now"

Surely in 2017 she can take responsibility for her own happiness? Not saying it is easy but its doable if she wants to. Why should her happiness come last in a family? Surely parents who are happy apart is better than unhappy together?

We all sacrifice things for our kids so they get the best we can give them in all aspects of their lives but should we sacrifice our own happiness for 15/20 years?

Disclaimer: its up to each individual how they live their life of course but the post was written in a kind of "when you are a mother this is what you have to do" martyrdom type of way and they believe that most women relate to this which I dont agree with at all.

Takes a deep breath...

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PhilCoulsonsLeftHand17 · 03/03/2017 22:32

Sugarlumps
No I didn't have money and I didn't and still don't have close family nor friends within 50 miles. I was earning minimum wage part time and no opportunity to earn more. I was left with the house and a mortgage to pay on my own. I know it's not easy at all.

As I said all circumstances are different I am not victim blaming not e petting every woman to feel the same just wanted opinions on whether people thought a mother actually deserves to consider herself in a relationship or should she sacrifice her own happiness for 10 years?

I didn't want a slagging match or a "my circumstances are worse than yours so you don't know shit " competition.

It was just a question not a woman bashing thread😐we can all disagree and still be civil.

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CountClueless · 03/03/2017 22:34

expatinscotland As I said, thousands manage

And thousands don't.

Why should the husband give the wife money?

Why shouldn't he? If he goes out to work while she raises his children and runs his home, he should keep it all and she should fuck off?

What planet do some of you live on?

CountClueless · 03/03/2017 22:35

It was just a question not a woman bashing thread

And yet there is a disgusting amount of bashing on here. We're all whores and selfish shallow bitches.

PositivePeggyNans · 03/03/2017 22:41

CountClueless

A woman basher who complains about 'the women bashers'. Literally within seconds of each other

Total lack of class

PhilCoulsonsLeftHand17 · 03/03/2017 22:42

I see that i just got back on now and read the rest of the thread. Not my intention at all and not my responsibility.

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PositivePeggyNans · 03/03/2017 22:45

No it isn't your responsibility OP, you opened the door for a debate.

Some people got hysterical because others have different opinions.

CountClueless · 03/03/2017 22:47

A woman basher who complains about 'the women bashers'. Literally within seconds of each other

Either you read my posts wrong or you're drunk.

PositivePeggyNans · 03/03/2017 22:54

Don't burn your ass doing that U Turn

CountClueless · 03/03/2017 22:57

Are you reading a different thread. My posts have been consistent from the start.
Are you confusing where I have quoted other people in order to disagree with them?
Admit it, you're pished.

DianaMemorialJam · 03/03/2017 23:01

Genuinely want to get this straight- is it that SAHMs are prostitutes? Or just SAHMs who don't love their dh/dp anymore?

I really hope I'm not a prositute.

CountClueless · 03/03/2017 23:03

Thats not clear Diana. We're hookers if we take their money and don't love them, but if we take their money and do love them, I don't know.
Maybe the pp can tell us?

DianaMemorialJam · 03/03/2017 23:05

I'm genuinely curious! I hope I'm not perceived in that way. (SAHM and I am in a mostly happy marriage Wink)

Although I am a bit pished Count so I may not make a lot of sense soon Grin

littlefrog3 · 03/03/2017 23:15

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BeIIatrix · 03/03/2017 23:19

Life is too short to put up with a loveless relationship - we all deserve to be the best we can be - and we are letting ourselves down if we are putting up with less - both men and women

I do think that we are all the masters of our own destiny to more of a degree than we think, we do not have to float along with the current - sometimes things are more difficult and we have to paddle against the tide to get out of the current. x

LapsedPacifist · 03/03/2017 23:25

I returned to university for 4 years as a mature student at the age of 49 to retrain for a new career, in a sector where there was a "clearly identified skills shortage" (sic). Then the credit crunch happened.

7 years of Austerity Policies later, guess who is now on a zero hours contract in said "skills shortage" sector at the age of 56? I don't even earn enough to pay National Insurance, far less tax. And I'm competing for shifts against postgraduate colleagues 35 years younger than me. My work is dependent on my location, which happens to be one of the least affordable areas for housing in the country. So what exactly would my options be if I walk out of my marriage?

BeauElliotBeautiful · 03/03/2017 23:32

I'm in the position of the person referenced in the original article, it really resonated. I don't love my husband anymore. I don't fancy him. He's not a bad person, although self absorbed and I could list hundreds of small things that have just dripped away eroding our marriage and my love and respect for him.

So, why don't I leave? I'm the high earner (and primary care giver). He pays a pretty nominal contribution to household finances. I'd be absolutely fine running the house paying bills etc.

I haven't left yet because of some martyrdom complex either. Sacrficing my happiness for my DC. I haven't made that conscious decision in the way the article suggests.

I haven't left yet because it's a huge decision. It's not just my life I'm upending. I haven't left because I worry if my dc go off the rails as a teenager they won't have a single secure home base to support them. I worry about how horrible a teenager I was and how that would play out with two parents not together.

I worry my husband wouldn't co-parent in the way I would. That he'd be lax with rules or too strict and I won't be able to moderate or enforce discipline. He's not a bad parent but he is lax about things like tech and let's dc mess about in the iPad without supervision. It's ridiculous but I worry about what would happen if they get groomed because they're vulnerable because of their parents breaking up so more susceptible and he lets them have the iPad in their bedroom whenever they want. I think I worry about the lack of control really.

I worry about how other parents at school will judge me. It's fine to break up as our partner had an affair, or some other big unreasonable incident but I can't (and don't want to) explain all the stupid little reasons which have built up. So they'll judge and think i'm the unreasonable one. I'll be selfish.

I don't know how I'd explain it to my family. They'll think that I shouldn't have thrown away a marriage and upended the dc's lives by being selfish and I should have given it more of a go.

I worry because it's just such a huge bloody decision and it's not the societal norm and am I being totally unreasonable? For hundreds of years people have just got in with it, am I throwing away more than I think and the grass isn't greener? Am I obligated to keep trying because I made these decisions and had the babies and made the marriage vows?

Then there is inertia. It's easier to stay than to go. Sometimes I get in my car after work and I'm so bloody tired and the idea of going home and sitting down and having huge relationship discussions where we decide (I decide) to break up is just out of reach. When do you do it at the weekend when dc are around all day. How do you even start the conversation out of the blue on a Saturday night?

And then it gets a bit better for a while and I think actually, this isn't grand movie love but it's not awful, I just need to pull myself together and get on with it. Movies are unrealistic anyway. Maybe everyone lives like this and I'm being desperately precious. He's self absorbed but he's not a bad person, as much as upending my dc's life it's his too. He'll be devastated and I don't want to hurt him I just don't want to be with him.

So that's why I stay. For now. Until I work up the courage or I lose my temper and do it in a fit of temper or he does something. I don't speak for everyone some people will hang around because of finances or they take a conscious decision to be selfless for their children, but I wonder if the majority of it is just sheer bloody inertia and fear of the unknown.

CountClueless · 03/03/2017 23:44

Life is too short to put up with a loveless relationship - we all deserve to be the best we can be - and we are letting ourselves down if we are putting up with less - both men and women

Are there really women, mothers, whose only concern is their own happiness? Who don't see the millions of things that make up a decision to break up their family? Who think its easy to walk out of a marriage and be a single parent, all because they think personal happiness is all that matters?

In reality, most of us are not so naive.

PhilCoulsonsLeftHand17 · 03/03/2017 23:51

littlefrog3

Maybe you should read my first post properly and not 'read' what you want to read?
No I am not a journo, what a stupid thing to say just cos I wont roll over to your abusive posts.

I asked several questions, most of which have been ignored and only one part of my first post has been really discussed.

I was hoping there would have been more of a discusion on the other points but I cant control what people write.

No its not my responsibility if people have had thier own opinions and these are offensive to others. Its easy to report if you wanted to I havent been on the internet until my last post as been too busy so I didnt know they were there.

I took a deep breath cos its AIBU but I did hope for a broader discussion as I already said.

If you dont like it why dont you just leave the thread?

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BeIIatrix · 03/03/2017 23:53

CountClueless

Have you ever tried to have a discussion without throwing in an insult, or two?

It really does say more about you than it does about the person you are insulting:-
-This thread has touched a major nerve with you.
-You are frustrated and looking to argue with someone.
-A touch of immaturity there, if someone does not agree with me, I will insult them.

I am happy to discuss or debate, but it gets tedious when someone immediately starts hurling insults. I am sure you have more to your point

littlefrog3 · 03/03/2017 23:57

Those 2 above ... I rest my case ^

BeIIatrix · 03/03/2017 23:57

BeauElliotBeautiful - wow what an eye opener. At the end of the day, you need to do what is right for you and the children, sod societies norms. Plus you don't need to explain yourself to anyone, if anyone asks a mere 'It just wasn't working out' is enough info. If they delve more than tell them to mind their own

I am sure if it is meant to be (leaving I mean), it will happen when the time is right . I wish you luck x

PhilCoulsonsLeftHand17 · 03/03/2017 23:59

Beau
Thanks for that.
Sorry about your circumstances. Hope you find your way to resolve it soon.

You have obviously put a lot of thought into it and have explained your own particular postion very clearly.

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CountClueless · 04/03/2017 00:04

I didn't insult anyone.

Is there some kind of glitch on this thread, where the wrong names are on posts?

You can read posts that call us all whores and say nothing but jump on me for saying that some people are naive?
WTF?

littlefrog3 · 04/03/2017 00:08

I didn't insult anyone. Is there some kind of glitch on this thread, where the wrong names are on posts? You can read posts that call us all whores and say nothing but jump on me for saying that some people are naive? WTF?

EXACTLY count clueless. The people bashing you (and me) are saying fuck all about people calling women WHORES for sod-all. Definitely selective reading at its finest. What a horrible thread.

BeauElliotBeautiful · 04/03/2017 00:11

I spend a lot of time thinking about it, stream of conciousness wittering about it is easy. It's a tiny fraction of the worries I have, I think I may have picked on some of the more trivial things and equally I worry about what if it's better to leave and I'm missing out. Not sure that came across.

Bellatrix - part of the thing is though, what is better for me and what is better for the dc is not the same. This is not a bad man, or an abuser I'm talking about. He's a bit of a selfish twat and crap with money and several other things, but it is better for the dc to live with him and me.

But then we argue and are mean and snippy and then I worry what they're learning about relationships and love and affection and team work and then I'm selfish to stay!

There is no right answer, I just don't want to mess things up. Because it's not just my life to mess up.

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