Disabled should work for less than minimum wage

[ElvishArchdruid]

Watching BBC24 and astounded at a woman who has come on to endorse that disabled folk should be paid less than normal (whatever that is) folk.

It's done her daughter the world of good and she thinks it fair as her daughter works at a slower pace with Downs Syndrome. I feel like they're casting a rather big net for a single group that may work slower. But the insinuation that I should be paid less than minimum wage is pretty outrageous. I'm sure there's lots like me who are mentally very capable, but have a body that doesn't co-operate.

A charity has endorsed this position too.

It has left me fuming, the woman by appearances can take the hit of her daughter getting paid less than minimum wage, let alone a living wage, subsidising her daughter possibly.

There is anger whilst I type this, but I can't see myself ever accepting such a suggestion.

And what if the job isn't a "real" job but has been created for a person with severe LDs? The firm and the charity pay a small wage and the person loves his job.

If he left tomorrow no one else would be employed because, frankly, he has to be supervised all the time by the other workers, which they do willingly. They deal with his meltdowns and obsessions brilliantly and look out for him.

But let's just chuck him out because it isn't "fair", eh?

The 'certification' thing has been done before.
In Germany
and over here.
Classification of those with learning disabilities has a long and sinister history.

I suggest you educate yourself before you suggest 'certification' of disabled people.

Why 'underclass'?

How about 'protected class' or 'class in need of support at work'?

Do you have the same approach when someone is assessed for full time carers or supported living or other support?

It's not me suggesting that this is an underclass, just one that isn't worth as much as NMW in their capacity as an employee. You are equating earning potential with human worth. I certainly haven't.

It nicely illustrates the concerns people have about this scheme creating some kind of official underclass though

It appears to be poster like you Lou who keep saying this.

You want your children to earn NMW, to keep all their benefits (which would be removed if they worked), to work in any type of employment as some types of work are beneath you, patronise those who don't have an in depth knowledge of disabilities - when some of your children can not cross the road or count money.

On reflection, I agree, this scheme is a bad idea.

cosy your attitudes to disability are dreadful. Here and on other threads.

That's not just because you disagree with me btw.

Watery for the 200th time no one is suggesting him chucking him out.

If he is chucked out rather than paid properly then that is wrong,

Do you have an issue with understanding this?

You want your children to earn NMW, to keep all their benefits (which would be removed if they worked), to work in any type of employment as some types of work are beneath you, patronise those who don't have an in depth knowledge of disabilities - when some of your children can not cross the road or count money.

Saying we want our kids treated equally and they shouldn't be because they have LDs is the very essence of disablism.

Think about it and educate yourself.

Or don't bother and go around being disablist.

Employers need to be more involved in supportive work schemes so all disabled people who would benefit have the possibility of engaging in paid work outside the home in a way that brings some social benefit as well as psychological benefits for the individual concerned.

Yes DLa and PiP are in work benefits.

So incorrect as well as disablist post.

If he is chucked out rather than paid properly then that is wrong. Do you have an issue with understanding this?

Lookout, for the 600th time it isn't a proper job, it wasn't advertised (as you wrongly thought), the charity asked the employer to take him on and he's paid a small wage, partly by the firm and partly by the charity. It isn't a proper job. You seem to have difficulty understanding this no matter how many times you are told.

Of course his job would go if the employer was expected to pay NMW. It's an act of altruism on the employer's behalf but he can hardly be expected to pay NMW for what is, in effect, an act of charity. The work done is easily covered by the others when he isn't there, in fact it probably takes longer when he is there.

Adults like him would never be able to find any kind of job without the kindness of charities and small businesses. He's illiterate, innumerate, has autism and is prone anger at unpredictable times.

NMW? You're living in cloud cuckoo land.

DLA is now only for under 16s. PiP is an in and out of work benefit (in Scotland anyway)

I didnt say it was advertised

They should advertise it differently then if it isn't really a job.

8.39 yesterday.

Oh i see. Nitpicking.

Well ok "describe" then

You seem unreasonably annoyed about this.

Whatever your problem is, i have no more to say to you

Watery, rather than repeat it for the 601st time, could you perhaps respond to what I've posted?

That part of the problem is people keep using the words "job", "work" and "employment" for something that you repeatedly point out is actually none of the above.

It's a hobby that keeps this bloke happy and busy, and is very good for him. And this company is willing to host him for his therapeutic activity. Which is excellent.

If only you'd stop calling it "work" and "a job", then the elision between what's going on there, and situations where people have to meet employers' (perfectly reasonable) demands in order to keep a roof over their heads, would disappear.

And you wouldn't be talking about affecting NMW, because there would be no pretence that what this bloke is receiving is a wage or covered by that legislation (which is necessary to protect people who are holding down real, advertised jobs and being net productive to the employer).

I'm not disablist, I'm just realistic.

You need to read the thread again. I'm summarising whats been written on this thread-

Vegansnake Thu 02-Mar-17 18:46:52
It's such a difficult issue, I don't want my son without a purpose in life..but he has a one to one.hes never crossed a road alone...who will realistically give him a job...he can't / won't wash or dress himself.

She read the thread.

I can't count change in the moment. I have to leave to do it.
I can't cross a road safely. I can't always dress appropriately for the weather.
I'm a damn good lecturer.