To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless

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To promote her new film. Can't these A listers just wear a classy outfit?

In that book those that were bemused and horrified were socially conditioned to find it that way

There are plennty of cultures now and in history where if asked people would give a very negative view of sex. Even in cultures without this there are plenty of people with low libidos and little interest, who can't see what the fuss is about.

None of this precludes there from being an innate component of why the people who like sex like it, and/or what physical features in others illicit "positive" responses in them.

I do find it bemusing that breasts are just a random body part and it could just have easily been the little toe that some men got "socialised" into having the same sorts of "positive" responses to.

Meanwhile Emma Watson laughs all the way to the bank...

This thread isn't about feminism anymore, it's just Emma Watson bashing by people who seem to be very invested in not liking her.

Worst comment being she's not a real woman.

Breast ironing is done because having breasts is a way of indicating to men that the girl is in puberty. It's a disgusting and painful practice, but done so that the child can walk freely to school to get an education or go about her daily job without getting hassled from men. The breasts may well not be a symbol of sexuality just an indication of 'readiness'. Horrible.

I don't know about that Mango I think 4Chan has a lot to answer for in the hatred of Watson. Trigger warning, especially the comment below the article.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-4chan-and-why-does-it-threaten-women-like-emma-watson-9751486.html

Thanks for the article they disgust me. They want to show the world who she really is. Does these men find women's bodies disgusting where they have to humiliate them. I would say they are woman haters they sound mad and angry.

Fair enough lass I obviously picked a bad example

But my understanding is still if that not all cultures find breasts sexual

Give examples of what culture please I don't think that is a true statement to make.

london

I have tried not to make statements

My understanding has always been that some cultures dont sexualize them

I had a two minute google yesterday and came up with that article

I am happy to be wrong on this hence my mealy mouthed wording

How is exposing her body not "feminist"? Surely her body her choice? Or should she be covered up because women aren't allowed to be sexual?

What's the big deal about boobs being sexualised anyway? What about lesbians who find boobs sexy? Surely that's ok right?

But our culture only sexualises post pubertal and pre maternal breasts. Getting your tits out to breast feed is considered unsexy and gross. And most women who blatantly ignore these rules are asked to quietly get a room (or preferably get to a nunnery).

Sorry Miss did you not understand? Even if boobs are not sexualised, having them means you are a woman and therefore okay for the taking (in some men's warped minds).

Ignore the men. What about the lesbians? Did all this sexual liberation mean nothing when women find other women's boobs attractive?

Oh, Misss, you are talking a load of bollocks!

You are talking like a prudish bra burner intent in stopping fun

Good lord, really? Out of interest, which of my 20 odd posts on this thread made you draw that conclusion?

But my understanding is still if that not all cultures find breasts sexual

Can you post the link Rufus It's an interesting point and I'd like to read more but I don't think in isolation it signifies much.

I would be interested in how they defined "sexualised".

I can see that in Europe Norway, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands for example might have a much less uptight attitude to nudity generally and breast feeding but does that mean breasts have no sexual significance? I doubt it.

I think you also need to examine other correlations. Eg it might seem great that there is nothing sexy about breasts but if the pay off is fgm, breast ironing, adultery is a crime and a general lack of women's rights then Page 3 doesn't seem quite so awful.

There are other correlations to consider- what is attitude of societies which don't sexualise breasts to child marriage, polygamy and homosexuality? Perhaps they oppose the first 2 and are tolerant of the third and it's all just lovely ; Mali however has a ptetty terrible record on all 3. 98% of the adult population in 2013 did not consider homosexuality was acceptable and over 70% of Mali girls will be married by 18 with younger girls being 2nd or 3rd wives.

The researcher you quoted was heavily invested in promoting breast feeding. Mali probably scores well on ebf and extended bf at the expense of other rights.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/03/journalists-publicly-mock-emma-watson-s-breasts-therefore-proving-her-point
Giles Coren and Julia Hartley Brewer wade in

You just have to ask yourself: would a male actor pose in that outfit? If not, why not?

You just have to ask yourself: would a male actor pose in that outfit? If not, why not?

I'd say because Burberry hasn't yet designed a lace doily for males. However there are plenty of shoots and male actors with unbuttoned shirts,chests on display, lazy "after sex" gaze, thumb stuck coyly in the trousers band etc.

None as naked as him though

You mean, would a male actor pose in a skirt and crocheted women's top? Unlikely but unimportant.

lass

I will see if i can find it though you probably already have it now

I think that my understanding of the issue is around western cultures which do seem to like boobs and non western cultures

I am probably basing it on National Geographic magazines 30 years ago

I agree with elendons post, i am not sure that girls in that country 'iron' their breasts because the men are overly enthusiastic about them ( i kniw its a lot more serious than that i am just struggling to word it) or as a kind of disguise ie not a woman yet...or even...is a boy

To be fair to me (which i do try and be ) i am not trying to prove a point as to whether EW is right to wear that top or whether its non feminist or anything like that

And I appreciate that other cultures can be supportive of dreadful offences against women...my post was purely down to the fact that i dont think that every culture in the world is all about the boobs

www.livescience.com/23500-why-men-love-breasts.html

Its the 1951 survey i was referencing....told you it was National Geographic from 30 (ish) years ago